I should have been clearer in speaking about WAR chariots. There are of course two-wheeled carts and ceremonial counterparts, but (again) I know of no physical evidence to support the presence of war chariots of the kind familiar from China, the Middle East, and southern Europe.
Jeffrey F. Huntsman
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From: Old-Irish-L [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ana B. Nieto
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:16 PM
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That chariots were used even under that conditions is for sure, looking at
all the references you can find on such books as Early irish farming (10
references at least), specially in the chapter of Transport technology (page
496), from Fergus Kelly. There is also a law-text on roads in page 537 that
illustrates the importance of the chariot, associated with persons of high
rank. Kelly separates the *carpat *from the *carr *of *fén* (heavier) and
also includes an illustration from a IX century cross of Clonmacnoise.
Other illustrations I´ve seen resemble more a rural transportation vehicle,
with two wheels and two horses, than a combat chariot, which I always
thought was more literary than practical (the idea I had is the same pointed
by Jeffrey in this matter. No physical evidence found).
The roads don´t look as bad at it seems, though, looking at the texts (that
is my opinion, of course, as I usually don´t drive ;).
Ana B. Nieto.-
2009/8/28 Huntsman, Jeffrey F. <[log in to unmask]>
> Like much else in this traditional material, the use of chariots is likely
> a remnant of memories of behavior from central Europe (think: the Magyar
> plains). I do not attempt to remain current with the archeological
> literature, but the last I knew, there I no physical evidence whatsoever of
> chariots ever being in Ireland, which is on a list of islands (Iceland,
> Sardinia, Io Jima) with terrain clearly unsuited to such devices.
> Jeffrey F. Huntsman
> 6980 East Bender Road
> Bloomington, IN 47401-9279
> 812-339-4855 / cell 812-272-6470
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Old-Irish-L [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Kenneth Charles Simmonds
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:57 AM
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> Subject: [OLD-IRISH-L] burning question
> one thing that always strikes me when reading accounts of the heroic age is
> the question of chariots.
> How did the likes of Cú Chulainn, (whether or not he had seven fingers,
> Dennis), actually use chariots under the conditions that then obtained in
> Ireland? bridgeless rivers, no roads, bogs, woods, rocks, it must have been
> a nightmare getting one's chariot to the place of combat and how could it
> have bestowed a relative advantage in battle on the user?
> By the way my qualification for posting in the first place (apart from good
> old-fashioned presumption) is that I am plodding my way through David
> Stifter's self-study course on Old Irish.
> Charles Simmonds
> (by the way it's a very good course; My only beef is with the use of Greek
> letters in transcriptions, which I find a distracting).