Agreed! As soon as we have a definite claim from Chris Droney himself
that he composed a particular tune, then I agree (as I always have) that
he should get "first dibs" on what tune title ought to be used from now
on, at least by those of us who happen to hear about such a claim at
this point in time.
If someone gets a hold of Chris and can post something to IRTRAD-L that
confidently quotes him in regard to a particular tune (where "tune" is
defined by the music, not by title), I can certainly cite that IRTRAD-L
post as a published source for a composer claim and use it in
Meanwhile title evolution can and will happen regardless of composers'
wishes - even compositions of my own, very minimally spread around, have
already had their titles tweaked by the "faulty" memory (or rather,
"aesthetic preferences") of players. That's life in a living tradition ...
Blarney Star sent on 6/26/09 4:36 PM:
> All very well, but if there is living composer who has a preferred name for his own tune, I don't care what anybody else chooses to call it, he or she is still the final authority!
>> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:38:22 -0500
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Bellharbour Reel etc
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Actually, as I mentioned before, tune #635 (the G Major one we're
>> talking about) has (at least) two sources predating Droney's first
>> album. Besides the Tom Cawley recording, Breathnach collected it in 1966
>> from Jimmy Ward. For details see
>> About "title", Don: as others, including yourself, have mentioned, there
>> is no point in debating what a "correct" title is for a tune in folk
>> music in general. There could be a legal definition of "correct title"
>> if someone has copyrighted a work, but otherwise all we have in a
>> traditional culture are stories: who said what on what day, and from
>> whom did so-and-so seem to recall getting their info from - and that
>> person's memory is liable to change over time, too.
>> Given that reality, irishtune.info presents what I think is a pretty
>> "objective" picture of the various "stories" about a tune (at least
>> regarding a tune's title and origin) that can be clearly documented to
>> be in circulation out there. The "masses" within the tradition don't
>> know (for example) Chris Droney personally, or have even encountered his
>> 1975 album - they're more likely to have encountered a given tune via
>> some (likely "misnamed") recording or tunebook that came out during
>> their own formative years in the tradition, or as a nameless experience
>> at a session. And of course that's how the many, often conflicting
>> stories get circulated and evolve and may even become someone's personal
>> idea of "correct", and then good fodder for sportive debates over a pint
>> between tunes ...
>> - Alan
>> Blarney Star sent on 6/26/09 6:19 AM:
>>> Chris Droney recorded "Chris Droney's Favourite" and "The Bellharbour" under those names on his debut LP, and the only (possibly) earlier reference to either is the privately made Cawley recording (for which we don't really have a date). So I don't know why you'd want to rename the tunes because other people later made mistakes in sleeve notes. Titles in sleeve notes are spectacularly unreliable and not all "votes" are of equal value.
>>> Maureen - if you have a phone number or address for Chris Droney, could you get it to me privately?
>>>> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:41:23 -0500
>>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Bellharbour Reel etc
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Philippe Varlet sent on 6/25/09 12:23 PM:
>>>>> Alan, you may want to check your copy again, the copyright notice
>>>>> applying to that particular volume appears on the title page and the
>>>>> date is (may be?) different from that on the cover.
>>>> Since all I have is a photocopy of this volume which someone else made
>>>> for me, who may have skipped copying a page, I see no 1976 date, just
>>>> the 1974 date.
>>>>>> For now, to stick to my methodology, I will leave tune #3018 as
>>>>>> "Bellharbour Reel" as its predominant title, since the four sources I
>>>>>> can cite lean in that direction (whereby my method guides me let the
>>>>>> votes of two recordings outweigh the votes of the two transcriptions).
>>>>> However, shouldn't you take into account the fact that it appears as
>>>>> "Chris Droney's Favourite" on Droney's own album "The Flowing Tide," and
>>>>> that this is the earliest source for the tune?
>>>> Someday I hope to have access to a copy of that album, and at that time
>>>> I will be able to work through it and include it in irishtune.info. As
>>>> one can see, it is not currently in the list of albums covered by
>>>> I work strictly according to the sources I can confirm and compare
>>>> first-hand, and make no claims to present or decide "truth." Instead I
>>>> strictly present what the body of published sources claim, which
>>>> represents a measure of popular opinion among the "clergy" of Irish
>>>> music (musicians recorded and published), which in turn is one of way
>>>> representing "what the tradition thinks," and the tradition has never
>>>> been particular about "truth" or self-consistency, as we know :).
>>>> Alan Ng, PhD . Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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