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Subject: Re: Grían
From: Kitiara Denus <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Scholars and students of Old Irish <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:55:54 +0100

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Thanks very much, Dennis. Indeed, the association of sun and eye is not unprecedented at all and appears in many other cultures. ;)  
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:28:21 -0800 
> From: [log in to unmask] 
> Subject: Re: Grían 
> To: [log in to unmask] 
> Kitiara Denus wrote: 
> > Finally, there is the theory that the real name of the sun, as it  
> > happens with other heavenly bodies, such as the moon, was taboo to  
> > use and that Grían (brilliance, radiance) is a word used to avoid  
> > saying the true name (but I still don´t know what kind of figure  
> > lies behind). 
> > 
> > I´ve read also that the name Sol (used by romans for their god  
> > “Sol invictus) can be found also in irish sources and that it might  
> > or might not be a latin borrowing (any extra information about this  
> > or any text where we can find the reference? I´m interested in this  
> > one since it is the same word we still use in spanish). 
> It appears that the Irish reflex of the IE word for "sun" underwent a  
> semantic shift early on. Here's what I said on the Focal an Lae site  
> years ago: 
> History: Old Irish “súil” comes from Common Celtic *sūlis, which  
> derives from Indo-European *sāwel- (sun). The metaphorical leap from  
> “sun” to “eye” may seem extreme, but is not unprecedented.  
> “Súil” is thus cognate with various “sun” words, from Welsh  
> “haul” to Latin “sol”, which yields English cognates such as  
> “solar”. The Irish word for “sun” is the completely unrelated  
> “grian”. 
> Dennis 
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