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Re: Princess Royal

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Sherry and Don LADIG <[log in to unmask]>

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Hi Andy, et al,

    Well, I had to step away from my computer for several hours, and it is interesting what our Princess has gotten up to! My first mistake was assuming that, since I had seen the Princess Royal tune in an English Country Dance tune book, that the book in question was the Playford English Dancing Master. My mistake; sorry. I didn't see it there; I now realize I first spotted it (and played it from) the Barnes' Blue Book of English Country Dance tunes (a fake book collection for musicians, first appearing in the 1980's I think). ECD tunes  have been around for centuries, with new tunes being added every decade, though the 1700's, 1800's, and including our own times. 

    I tend to agree with Donal Sullivan, Earle Hitchener, and several other contemporary Irish music scholars that O'Carolan did indeed write this tune. The fact that it was published right around O'Carolan's death (1738) in an English country dance book does not signify; hot new tunes got around fast, then as well as today, and dances were often written for popular tunes. I checked Barnes' book; that version is an edited version of the full tune printed in Donal Sullivan's book (probably to fit the dance).

   We probably will never actually know the authorship for sure, unless there is a manuscript somewhere of someone's transcription of O'Carolan's version in his own time. It's a cracking good tune, isn't it? I'll still keep it in my O'Carolan collection and play it from time to time....

          Sherry Ladig
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Kuntz<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
  To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:54 PM
  Subject: Re: Princess Royal


  This may prove interesting as well.
  Regards,
  Andrew

  PRINCESS ROYAL [1], THE ("Bean-Priunsa Riogda" or "Beanphrionsa 
  Rioghamhuil"). AKA and see "The Arethusa," "Brian the Brave [4]," "The 
  Gaelic League March," "Miss MacDermott" (Inion Nic Diarmada), "Nelson's 
  Praise," "Port Shean tSeain," "Rodney's Glory [1]." Irish; Air, Hornpipe, 
  Reel or Planxty (2/4 time, "lively"); English, Morris Dance Tune (4/4 time). 
  England; Northumberland, Cotswolds. A Minor (Carlin): A Dorian (Mulvihill, 
  Sullivan): B Minor (Ó Canainn): F Minor (O'Sullivan): G Minor (Gow, 
  McGlashan, O'Neill): D Minor (Bacon, Raven, Skinner): E Minor (S. Johnson, 
  Mallinson): F Minor (Complete Collection). Standard tuning. One part (Ó 
  Canainn): AB (Complete Collection, S. Johnson, O'Neill, O'Sullivan): AABB 
  (Carlin, Gow, Mulvihill, Raven, Skinner, Sullivan): ABB, x4 (Mallinson). One 
  of the most celebrated compositions attributed to the blind Irish harper 
  Turlough O'Carolan (1670-1738). The air under the title "Princess Royal" or 
  "Miss MacDermott" is attributed to O'Carolan by collector Edward Bunting 
  (The Ancient Music of Ireland, 1840), with the note "composed by Carolan for 
  the daughter of MacDermott Roe, the representative of the old princes of 
  Coolavin." O'Carolan is also listed as composer by Donal O'Sullivan (1983), 
  Grattan Flood (1906) and other sources, although apparently earliest in a 
  printed collection by O'Farrell (c. 1810) in his Pocket Companion, book IV, 
  where the tune appears simply as "Air by Carolan." The attribution was also 
  credited to the bard by Bunting in his MS collection of c. 1800 (now held by 
  the Library of Queen's University, Belfast), which O'Sullivan notes "has the 
  tradition of the harpers behind it." Flood (who admittedly is known for some 
  dubious, if not outright erroneous, assertions) says the tune was composed 
  by the harper in 1725, and published in 1727, 1730 (in Walsh's Complete 
  Dancing Master where it appears as "The Princess Royal, the new way") and 
  1731 (by Daniel Wright), and republished several times between 1735 and 
  1745, though no words have survived.

  ***

  English writer Frank Kidson disagrees with the attribution to O'Carolan and 
  Irish provenance (see "New Lights Upon Old Tunes," Musical Times, October, 
  1894). He says that the air was commonly known in the early part of the 18th 
  century as an English country dance tune named "The Princess Royal, the new 
  way" and that about 1730-35 it appeared in several London publications 
  (presumably the Walsh and Wright publications cited by Flood). It appears in 
  Wright's Compleat Collection of Celebrated Country Dances, vol. I, c. 
  1730-35 as "New Princess Royal."

  ***

  No matter what its origins, it was admired by William Shield (1748-1829, who 
  arranged the song with words set by dramatist and painter Prince Hoare, 
  1755-1834) who retitled it "The Arethusa," and published it in his 1796 
  small opera or musical entertainment "Lock and Key" (Arethusa was name of an 
  Engish ship which fought an engagement with a French frigate La Belle Poule 
  in the English Channel in June, 1778). Shield, a violinist and violist who 
  wrote ballad operas for the popular stage, never claimed composition of the 
  melody and only maintained he had added the bass. The piece became 
  tremendously popular, in part because of the zenophobic mood of the times, 
  particularly toward the French. Irish provenance advocates, however, say it 
  was only through publication and subsequent republication that it not only 
  became popular but became erroneously considered an English air. Editor 
  Gordon Ashman states the tune later became one of Hamilton Harty's sea song 
  settings, called "On Board the Arethusa," which is often heard at the Last 
  Night of the Proms.

  ***

  On deck five hundred men did dance

  The stoutest they cold find in France

  We with two hundred did advance

  On board of the Arthusa.

  Our captain hailed the Frenchman, 'Ho!'

  The Frenchman then cried out 'Hallo!'-

  'Bear down, d'ye see, the our Admiral's lee.'

  'No, no,' says the Frenchman, 'that can't be.'-

  'Then I must lug you along with me.'

  Says the saucy Arethusa.

  ***

  The 'princess royal' of the title, states Flood, was an honor for Mary 
  MacDermot, daughter of the Princess of Coolavin and Princess Royal of the 
  MacDermot Family, or, as Bunting says, "daughter of MacDermott Roe, the 
  representative of the old princes of Coolavin (County Sligo)." O'Sullivan, 
  however, notes there were two branches of the County Roscommon family; the 
  MacDermotts of Alderford, usually known by the title MacDermott Roe, and the 
  MacDermotts of Coolavin. The head of the latter branch was known in 
  O'Carolan's time as the Prince of Coolavin, and O'Sullivan believes it 
  probable that the Princess Royal was his eldest daughter and not of the 
  MacDermott Roes. O'Carolan may also composed another song for her called 
  "Maire an Cuilfhin" (Fair-Haired Mary), according to Flood. Princess Royal 
  also is the title reserved for the eldest daughter of the British royal 
  family, if the sovereign sees fit to award it. Kidson (Groves) maintains the 
  princess royal referred to is Anne, daughter of George II, who married 
  William, Prince of Orange, in 1734.

  ***

  Bayard (1981) begs comparison of the tune with James Oswald's "My Love is 
  Lost to Me" and questions whether Oswald's composition was derivative from 
  "The Princess Royal" (it could not be ancestral to, as he also speculates 
  for O'Carolan's composition preceded his, published c. 1780, by some sixty 
  years). Further, he wonders if O'Carolan based his tune on "some form" of 
  the widely known tunes "Bung Your Eye" and "O As I Was Kist Yestreen." The 
  Mallinson/Raven/Bacon morris dance version of the tune is from the village 
  of Adderbury, Oxfordshire, in England's Cotwolds (Carlin's similar version 
  is listed as "Scottish" in origin). In Cape Breton a twelve-step solo dance 
  (also called Princess Royal) was performed to the tune, handed down from 
  Donald 'The Tailor' Beaton, an itinerant tailor from South West Margaree. As 
  a vehicle for folk songs the tune has proved popular and can be heard as 
  "Lord Nelson" and "Raggle Taggle Gypsy O," among others. A Cape Breton 
  hornpipe derivative goes by the title "Jenny's Dream," and it is also played 
  as a reel on the island. Another Turlough O'Carolan composition titled "Mrs. 
  MacDermott Roe" has some melodic similarities. The air was adapted for 
  American shape-note singing, and appears as "Mississippi" in the 1820 
  supplement to the Kentucky Harmony, first published around the year 1815. 
  Sources for notated versions: the Irish collector Edward Bunting (1773-1843) 
  noted the melody from harper Arthur O'Neill in 1800 [Bunting]; the Bridge 
  Céilí Band [Mulvihill]. Bacon (The Morris Ring), 1974; pg. 15. Carlin 
  (Master Collection), 1984; No. 185, pg. 107. Complete Collection of Carolan's 
  Irish Tunes, 1984; No. 87, pg. 70. Gow (Complete Repository), Book 2, 1802; 
  pg. 7. S. Johnson (The Kitchen Musician No. 3: Carolan), 1983 (revised 1991, 
  2001); pg. 7. Mallinson (Mally's Cotswold Morris Book), 1988, vol. 1; No. 
  32, pg. 22. McGlashan (Collection of Scots Measures), 178_; pg. 13. 
  Mulvihill (1st Collection), 1986; No. 1, pg. 118. Ó Canainn (Traditional 
  Slow Airs of Ireland), 1995; No. 33, pg. 33. O'Farrell (Pocket Companion, 
  vol. IV), c. 1810; pg. 135 (appears as "Air by Carolan"). O'Neill (Krassen), 
  1976; pg. 231. O'Neill (Music of Ireland; 1850 Melodies), 1979; No. 641, pg. 
  115. O'Sullivan (Carolan: The Life, Times and Music of an Irish Harper), 
  1958; No. 87. Raven (English Country Dance Tunes), 1984; pg. 79. Skinner 
  (Harp and Claymore), 1904; pgs. 134-135 (hornpipe setting). Sullivan 
  (Session Tunes), vol. 3; No. 28, pg. 11. Carthage CGLP 4406, Hutchings et 
  al - "Morris On" (1983/1972). Flying Fish FF70572, Frank Ferrel - "Yankee 
  Dreams: Wicked Good Fiddling from New England" (1991). Island ILPS9432, The 
  Chieftains - "Bonaparte's Retreat" (1976). Old Bridge Music OBMCD 06, Máire 
  Ní Chathasaigh & Chris Newman - "The Carolan Albums." .

        See also listings at:

        Alan Snyder's Cape Breton Fiddle Recording Index

        Jane Keefer's Folk Music Index: An Index to Recorded Sources

        Alan Ng's Irishtune.info


  X:1

  T:Miss MacDermott or The Princess Royal

  C:Turlough Carolan

  B:Carolan, by Donal O'Sullivan

  N:transposed from Fm

  M:2/4

  L:1/16

  Q:110

  K:Dm

  AG|F2E2 D2AG|F2E2 D2A2|B2A2 G2cB|ABAG F2A2|

  GAGF EFED|C2B,2 A,2AG|F2ED FED^C|D4 D2||A2|

  d3^c d2e2|f2F2 F2f2|fedc BAGF|EFGE C2DE|

  F2EF G2FG|A2A2 d4|c4 B2cB|A4 G2AG|

  GFFE DFED|CDCB, A,2AG|F2ED FED^C|D4 D2||

  X:2

  T:Princess Royal, The

  M:C|

  L:1/8

  R:Scottish Measure

  B:McGlashan - Collection of Scots Measures  (c. 178?)

  K:G Minor

  GA|B2AB G2dc|B2A2G2d2|e3d c2f2|edcd B4|B2gB A2fA|FGFE D2 dc|BABG DG^FA|

  GDB,D G,2 GA|B2 AB G2dc|BcAB G2 d2|e3d cgfe|decd B4|B2gB A2fA|FGAF A2 dc| 
  BAGB D2^F2|G2D2G,2||d2|g^fga gfga|b2B2B2 ba|gfed edcB|ABcA F4|B2AB c2Bc|d2d2 
  g4|f2B2 e4|d2B2c4|B3A GABG|FGFE D2dc|BAGB D2^F2|G6 d2|

  g^fga gfga|b2B2B2 ga|bagf edcB|ABcA F4|B2AB c2Bc|d2d2g3a|f2B2e2dc|

  d2B2c3d|B3A GABG|FGFE Dedc|BABG DG^FA|GDB,D G,2||

  X:3

  T:Air by Carolan (sic)

  M:C

  L:1/8

  R:Air

  S:O'Farrell - Pocket Companion, vol. IV (c. 1810)

  Z:AK/Fiddler's Companion

  K:A Minor

  e>d | c2 Bc A2 e>d | c2 Bc A3e | f2e2d2 ef | gfed c3B | cedc BdcB |

  AcBG E2 ed | cBcA BdcB | A4 A2 :: (ef/g/) | a3b agab | c'2c2c2b2 |

  c'bag fedc | BgdB G3B | c2cc d2d2 | edeg a3a | g2e2 fagf | e2A2d3B |

  c3B ABcd | e2E2E2 ed | cBcA GEG(A/B/) | A4A2 ||

  X:4

  T:Mississippi

  M:4/4

  L:1/8

  R:Shape note hymn air

  S:Kentucky Harmony, supplement, 1820

  Z:AK/Fiddler's Companion

  K:A

  (c3B) A2F2 | A2B2A2G2 | F4c4 | d2c2B2A2 | B2 (BA) G4 | (c3B) A2G2 |

  F2E2 (FG) (FE) | C4 (c3B) | A2F2A2 (BG) | F4 F4 || c4 f2e2 | f2g2e2d2 |

  c4g4 | a2f2e2 (cB) | A2G2F4 | A2A2B4 | (cd) (ec) f4 | e2c2d4 | c2 (cB) A4 |

  (B3d) c2 (cB) | A2G2F2 (FE) | C4 (c3B) | A2F2A2 (BG) | F4F4 ||

  X:5

  T:Princess Royal, The

  M:2/4

  L:1/8

  R:Hornpipe

  S:Skinner - Harp and Claymore (1904)

  N:"As danced by Tom Maclagan in his palmy days."

  Z:AK/Fiddler's Companion

  K:D Minor

  Z | .F.E.D.A | F/>G/E/>F/ D>A | .B.A.G.c | A/>(B/A/>)(G/ {E}F)C/>(E | 
  F)d/>(F E)c/>(E |

  D/>)(E/D/>)(C/ A,)A/>(G/ | F/>)(E/F/>)(D/ A,/>)(D/^C/>)(E/ | D) zz :: 
  A/=B/^c/ | d/>^c/d/>e/ d/>=c/d/>e/ |

  fF/>F .F.c | f/>e/d/>c/ B/>A/G/>F/ | E/>F/G/>E/ C>C | FF GG | AA d>d | cF 
  B>B | AD GF/>(D/ |

  F/>)(A/G/>)(F/ E/>)(G/F/>)(E/ | D/>)(F/E/>)(D/ A,)A/>G/ | 
  ({F/G/}F/>)(E/F/>)(D/ A/>)(D/^C/>)(E/ | D) zz :|

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Alan Ng" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
  To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:41 PM
  Subject: Re: Princess Royal


  > Sounds like a glance at irishtune.info would have been useful after  all! 
  > I remained silent on this, thinking my work's post-1900 focus  would be 
  > irrelevant to this 17th-century question. The MacDermott/ P.R. title 
  > confusion was, nevertheless, exposed there:
  >
  > http://www.irishtune.info/tune/3189/<http://www.irishtune.info/tune/3189/>
  >
  > ____________________________________________________________
  > Alan Ng, PhD .  [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>  .  http://www.alan-ng.net/<http://www.alan-ng.net/>
  > Madison, Wisconsin, USA 

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