I believe Stafford and Ashby were totally in agreement on EV.
I don't remember offhand where to find Stafford's discussions of EV
but I am pretty sure both Brain and Heart talk about them.
On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Arthur Dijkstra wrote:
> Dear all,
> I think I qualify for an S3, quoting Barry:
> "To get anywhere with academic types, we need to work with those who
> two criteria:
> 1) they don't have competing approaches of their own (this rules out
> all the
> business schools, public administration, and educational
> 2) they are interested in solving practical problems of great
> My question is about Essential Variables (EV). As you know I am
> developing a
> safety management system based on the VSM. Safety will be nominated
> an EV.
> I have no direct access over all my Stafford books right now (out
> flying on
> layover) but I was surprised not to find EV in the index of The Heart.
> How and where does Stafford clearly talk about EV's ? Does he agree
> Ashby about EV's ?
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