I am up for this, Barry, but as you have no doubt noted, and Javier
stated, my primary value is probably as a subset of S4 (definitely NOT
sales or marketing), a sort of internal critic, gadfly, and, perhaps,
intellectual authority. But, what you are outlining requires in the
first instance the consolidation of a S3/S1 function.
On 5 Dec 2008, at 15:55, BARRY A CLEMSON wrote:
> This is my third rant about developing a cybernetically sound
> regulatory system for the global economy. For the sake of brevity, I
> am going to make some straightforward assertions, without much in
> the way of qualifying comments. Please consider all of this as
> tentative and my challenge to you to improve upon it.
> OUR GOALS:
> 1) Every national government in the world should have a "Council of
> Systemic Advisors", similar to the existing Council of Economic
> In the US we also have a Science Advisor to the President, but there
> is no one charged with explicitly thinking about systemic issues. A
> Council of Systemic Advisors would, in the long run, have an
> enormous impact on government policies and on the university and the
> roles of cybernetics/systems within the university (which in turn
> would feed back for more impact on government and corporations).
> 2) We need Obama and his team of economic advisors to be aware of
> and receptive to the cybernetic community's insights re. regulation
> in complex systems.
> To achieve goal #2, we do not need a fully developed design for
> regulating the global economy What we need to begin are a few well
> chosen demonstrations of where cybernetics would dramatically
> improve on the current economic thinking that led to the current
> crisis. At the risk of revealing my abysmal ignorance about
> economics and the stock market, i will suggest that the current
> system is largely a positive feedback loop with "speculator
> expectations" as the key level (to use Forrester's system dynamics
> language). If this is even close to correct, then the system is
> GUARANTEED to engage in wild swings and ultimately collapse.
> Regardless of the correctness of my example, I think what we need to
> get our ideas on the table is a few such examples of systemic
> alternatives to grossly inadequate designs.
> 1) We need a group focused on developing the examples of where
> cybernetic thinking would dramatically improve upon current
> orthodoxy. Hopefully there are at least a few of our number who
> understand a little about economics and maybe can do this fairly
> 2) Obama is certainly the most important player right now, but other
> nations should not be ignored. And getting to the government of one
> country might well make it easier to get to the government of other
> countries. Thus, we should all work on our own national governments
> (and, where possible, help each other). Thus we need a group focused
> on how to get the attention of the national decision makers.
> 3) This is much bigger than just management cybernetics. We need to
> enlist every system thinker in the world. (NOTE: I am now really
> going to reveal the ignorance resulting from spending most of the
> last ten years as a carpenter and ignoring the academic world, but
> perhaps i can still make the point). We need to enlist and ally with
> groups such as System Dynamics, Society for General System Theory (I
> know, it transmogrified into a different group but I don't remember
> the new name), and the organizational learning folks such as Peter
> Senge who emphasize systems thinking. Undoubtedly there are many
> others I don't know about.
> NEXT STEPS
> 1) We need to know who is interested and willing to work on this
> project. Step right up and volunteer. Indicate:
> - your country
> - sketch of your background, what you bring to the table, how you
> see yourself helping.
> 2) A dedicated forum, listserve or some such. Some of you are much
> more knowledgeable than I about what we need to support the project.
> 3) Refinement of the goals and strategies. Clearly a serious
> discussion has to refine these before we can do much else.
> 4) Think carefully about what other system scientists we can drag
> into this project. Go ahead and recruit those you can. Make lists of
> those you think might be useful but that you don't have personal
> connections with.
> A NOTE ON ME
> I spent eight years teaching admin. in colleges of education, then
> ten years in in teaching engineering management. I was then forced
> out of the university for failing at TV teaching. I also had careers
> in software development (mostly with very large systems) and
> community development. The last ten years I mostly built additions
> to homes and recently became a novelist (discovered fiction is a
> hell of a lot harder than technical writing!). All this is by way of
> saying that I will have zero credibility with government decision
> makers and that quite obviously someone else is going to have to be
> the public face for this project. This might not be an issue, it
> might well be that the best public face for the project will become
> obvious as we proceed. On the other hand, I often think of Thomas
> Jefferson's comment that any politician who wants the job is thereby
> disqualified because he will then make decisions our of a context of
> preserving his position instead of a context of the common good. So
> this is something to keep in the back of your mind as we proceed.
> PARTING SHOT
> This obviously can only be done if a group of us step up to do it.
> Now is the time! And you are the One! Take one step forward if you
> are willing to help save the world ....
> Grace and Peace,
> What i have not yet seen is any large number of people explicitly
> volunteering to do much about it.
> BARRY A CLEMSON
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