I hope you keep talking because I find many of your posts very
On Dec 1, 2008, at 6:13 PM, Stefan Wasilewski wrote:
> Very much interested but there's a lot of noise going on and a trend
> away from VSM that's worrying.
> Not interested in Snowden, have reviewed his stuff along with the
> comments made over the last few weeks that show Stafford had
> anticipated much of it.
> The problem we all have is WE know this stuff but the rest of the
> world doesn't. We need to synthesise!
> There must be small steps away from existing paradigms that make
> sense to the listener and where we can guide them gradually to a
> higher level of interest in Systems.
> Just a thought, but what the heck, no-one seems to listen anyway,
> hence my silence!
> On 1 Dec 2008, at 22:41, Roger Harnden wrote:
>> I, like all of you, am an individual. Metaphorum is a place for
>> individuals to dip their toes in and out of.
>> It does a certain job - which for those who are just dipping their
>> toes in and out of is fine. But for others who want to progress
>> ideas/thinking/understanding might be different.
>> I wish to progress ideas, collaboration, connectivity. And I value
>> the core ides of SB (as well as others, whom I consider as
>> important for an understanding of Stafford),
>> We have set up a wiki space around these apparently core ideas. Are
>> people interested in this? Or is it of no interest? I know some
>> peple are interested, but how about you others?
>> Unfortunately, the more findings come out about Web 2.0 and 3.0 the
>> more it becomes apparent that the potential is in statistical-scale
>> usages. And we are a VERY SMALL COMMUNITY. The problem with that,
>> is that psychological factors (nervousness, frustration,
>> irritation....) dominate, whereas in a very large scale on-line
>> community these factors take second place.
>> This isn't a moan. but I wondered whether anyone else had any
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