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Subject: Re: Eigse Dhiarmuidin CD
From: Alan Ng <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Irish Traditional Music List <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:18:20 -0600

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Yes, Philippe, and actually, using the abc you posted in the previous 
message, I had just run your transcription through my process before I 
saw your next (this) message.

I can conclude - so far - that it does not match any tune I have 
previously identified, including if transposed up to G (or, since I'd 
call this a D Minor tune, up to E Minor). This isn't surprising, since 
it at least partly owes its striking attractiveness to the modern 
freedoms it takes relative to "old" tunes. I.e., I'd wager this is a 
fairly recent composition, perhaps from Maeve herself?

There are, I should note, limitations to working with a transcription as 
opposed to the actual recording - anyone who transcribes a tune (in abc 
or any other notation) usually has to make choices about how to reduce 
actual instrumental playing to simplified pitches and eighth notes, so a 
proper identification often requires trying all possible abc 
interpretations of the actual performance.

Also, hearing the other variations the player may "reveal" as they 
proceed through second and third times through the tune sometimes 
provides a "better" glimpse of what a notated simplification of the tune 
"should" look like. Naturally I assume your transcription, Philippe, 
reflects these kinds of wise choices, but my point (for anyone reading 
this) is that they are subjective, personal, artistic choices much as 
Breathnach, O'Neill, and other illustrious transcribers had to make. To 
confidently make a statement about a recording, ya gotta hear the recording.

Alan Ng, PhD .  [log in to unmask]  .
Madison, Wisconsin, USA

Philippe Varlet sent on 11/7/08 4:54 PM:
> At 12:46 AM 11/7/2008 -0600, you wrote:
>> Although I don't have access to that CD (and it is also a gap in the 
>> library), I would be willing to run the track in 
>> question through my formal tune-identification process if someone 
>> could share an mp3 of it.
> Alan, isn't there a way to search your database by using an ABC string?
> Philippe Varlet
> Hard-to-find imported Irish CDs
> [log in to unmask]

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