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UCD-STAFFORDBEER  October 2008

UCD-STAFFORDBEER October 2008

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Re: Syntegrity and online

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BARRY A CLEMSON <[log in to unmask]>

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Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:30:12 -0400

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Angela,

I have a couple of projects that I am just starting to push that would  
benefit enormously from a syntegration. The nature of the projects is  
such that I think an online syntegration would be the best option.

I haven't written anything in this arena nor have I participated in  
online syntegrations, I am sorry to say. I would very much like to see  
anything that has been written.

Barry

On Oct 16, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Angela Espinosa wrote:

> Jean Daniel - Roger - Barry:
> I have been wanting to hear from somebody working in this direction  
> since long ago. I participated in the World Government's project in  
> 1993 and felt very inspired from the potential of the infoset  
> experiment that Stafford was engaged in with Gary Davies. I used  
> Syntegrations in Colombia several times in the following decade - in  
> the way you described it, and they always worked quite well.  The  
> possibility of simulating one electronically could be potentially  
> very useful in a number of contexts.
> In 2002 I knew  people in Canada doing similar work to yours but I  
> haven't hear from them recently.
> Last year when we tried to organise the Syntegration in Sweden, it  
> was originally motivated by the project that Stig Holmberg had been  
> developing there precisely in the direction of your research. Malik  
> and Management were to support the event -unfortunately cancelled by  
> the end- as they also were interested in developing TS in this  
> direction.
> In the topics of sustainability and governance this kind of  
> technology is urgently required.
> I'd like to read anything you've written about it.
> I'll be also more than happy to progress further this conversation.
> Angela
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer on behalf of  
> Roger Harnden
> Sent: Wed 10/15/2008 12:20
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Syntegrity and online
>
> Message below from Jean-Daniel that I thought deserves a new thread.
>
> Jean-Daniel, I imagine a number of people might be interesting in
> this, not least because a number of us have experimented along these
> lines, with varying results. Any thoughts, anyone???
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> A couple years ago, I adapted the Team Synthegrity process for online
> use to eliminate the logistical difficulties that make it hard to
> mobilize poeple for several days to meet face to face.  It was part of
> my Master's thesis coursework.
>
> My intent was to see if TS could be used as a tool to enable citizens
> to deliberate on issues that concern them as an input to governments.
> Ultimately, this could extend into a new form of governance altogether
> where TS, as a System, provides organized input to govern the country
> to System 5.  As Allende said, system 5 would/should be "the people".
>
> The project worked generally well - actually, really well, for a first
> time, with much learning.
>
> I'd love to see it exercised and improved, and was wondering if anyone
> here had any interest in pursuing that thought?
>
> Jean-Daniel
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