From: "Louisa Moss" <[log in to unmask]>
> I think that the verb is 3rd sg conjunct preterite here.
> If it was present indicative wouldn't it have an 'a' ending?
I don't have a paradigm for 'caraid', so I was going by analogy with other
'-aid' verbs that I do have paradigms for. The 3 sing conjunct present for
'benaid' is '-ben', for 'crenaid' is ''cren', 'glenaid' is '-glen'. On the
other hand for 'marbaid' it's '-marba' and the preterite is '-marb', so
maybe you're right.
> I agree that the infixed object pronoun looks like is 3rd sg fem and that
> the emphatic suffixed pronoun is probably 3rd sg feminine picking up the
> infixed object pronoun.
> So the, witch and the sorcerer aare the subjects. I think that I've seen
> singular verb form used in this manner before, it's almost like the second
> subjct of the verb is an afterthought...
There is only one subject - Cú Roí is both witch and sorcerer (I think).
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Brown" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [OLD-IRISH-L] Die Sage von Cú Roí section 1c
> > From: "Nicholas Ostler" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Can another tyro pitch in here?
> > The more the merrier!
> >> L3: No-s-car si ind ammait & in corrguinech Cú Roi mac Dáiri.
> >> The initial "first word (or rather, slew of words) " looks to me like
> >> the preterite 3rd plur of caraid, hence 'they loved' with an infixed
> >> singular pronoun -s- 'her', borne (as normal) by the meaningless prefix
> >> no-, and picked up by the resumptive pronoun si, also meaning she or
> >> her. Hence the whole is (when passivized to keep the order of elements
> >> straight):
> >> She was loved by the witch and the sorcerer Cú Roi son of Dáiri.
> >> (It would be nice, I suppose, if this could be made reciprocal, or at
> >> least we could cast this woman as the witch in question, but I can't
> >> any grammatical way to get this.)
> > I agree the verb is 'caraid', but I think it's the conjunct 3rd person
> > present (we've discussed elsewhere how Old and Middle Irish texts aren't
> > often consistent with tenses) - with, as you say, the preverb 'no-' and
> > the
> > infixed 3 singular feminine object pronoun (class A, as per Strachan).
> > 'si'
> > should probably be '-si', the 3 singular feminine emphasising pronoun,
> > rather than 'sí' "she", and in this case 'Cú Roi mac Dáiri' is the
> > of the verb, not the object. So:
> > "The witch and sorcerer Cú Roí mac Dáire loves her".
> > Patrick