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UCD-STAFFORDBEER  February 2008

UCD-STAFFORDBEER February 2008

Subject:

Re: Saving the world - a bit!

From:

allenna leonard <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:05:36 -0800

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OK, make it 5+.

It reminds me of an old ad for the New Yorker
Magazine.  It said

 "Life - Consider the Alternative"

Allenna



--- Stefan Wasilewski <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Can't have a trinity! So make it 4+!
> 
> Maybe I've read too much Sci Fi but you'll have to
> do covertly - being  
> famous has led to too many early deaths and dogma
> later on.
> 
> Stefan
> 
> On 17 Feb 2008, at 12:38, Wright, Steve wrote:
> 
> > Three....and a bit!   But news is spreading - we
> ran a course over  
> > the summer on "How to save the world"...The
> university brought  
> > change makers together with potential change
> makers on the basis  
> > that these memes are contagious.....
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > From: Angela Espinosa
> > Sent: Sun 17/02/2008 10:54
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Saving the world - a bit!
> >
> > Boris:
> > I also absolute agree so we are now a growing
> majority (3!!)
> > Angela
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer
> on behalf of  
> > Boris G Freesman, Q.C.
> > Sent: Sat 2/16/2008 19:47
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Saving the world - a bit!
> >
> > I guess that makes us a majority of 2!!!
> >
> > Boris
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Roger Harnden
> >   To: [log in to unmask]
> >   Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:32 AM
> >   Subject: Re: Saving the world - a bit!
> >
> >
> >   absolutely agree,
> >
> >
> >   Roger
> >
> >   On 13 Feb 2008, at 21:28, Boris G Freesman, Q.C.
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     Not me! Exclude me in; include me out!
> >
> >     I DO want to save the world... because the
> prospects of leaving  
> > this mess as a legacy to my children and
> grandchildren chills my Soul.
> >     The problem is that I don't know how... and
> even if I did, I  
> > doubt it is a task that can be accomplished by one
> person, all  
> > alone. I may a foolish, optimistic dreamer, but I
> am not the Second  
> > Coming...
> >
> >     But, thanks to Stafford, I do know how to
> CHANGE the world, both  
> > "outside, there" and "inside, here." I sum up
> Stafford's legacy in  
> > his own words: a platform for change. And I trust
> - as he did - that  
> > a changed world will know how to save itself.
> >
> >     And to clarify some previous statements I have
> made, the way I  
> > see it the VSM and Team Syntegrity speak to those
> changes that must  
> > take place "outside, there." Prang speaks to the
> changes required  
> > "inside, here."
> >
> >     Boris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       ----- Original Message -----
> >       From: ROD THOMAS
> >       To: [log in to unmask]
> >       Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:34 PM
> >       Subject: Re: Saving the world - a bit!
> >
> >
> >       Dear Allenna,
> >
> >       Yes, saving the world  a bit or more is
> attractive - but the  
> > point is 'what bit'? What operation can a
> syntegration inform?
> >       How many recursions are there to the the
> total planetary  
> > system? Is this the biggest set of variety
> equations anyone has ever  
> > set out to contemplate? What's that old saying:
> think globally, act  
> > locally. Doesn't this equate to the maxim: its too
> big to influence  
> > it all but you can always decide not to catch so
> many planes.
> >
> >       Anyway, I,m repeating myself on this one so
> I'll sign off -  
> > see comments elsewhere if of interest.
> >
> >       Regards
> >       Rod
> >
> >       allenna leonard <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >         Dear Rossell et al,
> >
> >         Your point about conflicting weather data
> illustrates
> >         the need for a cybernetics/systems
> approach to
> >         understanding climate change. What we are
> looking at
> >         is a potential massive change in climate
> that is
> >         likely to have different effects than
> expected and to
> >         have differing local impacts. What we are
> looking at
> >         is incipient instability: both
> envorionmental and
> >         social.
> >
> >         Saving the world - a little bit or more -
> is a more
> >         attractive alternative than its negative.
> It has only
> >         been since WWII that human beings have had
> to confront
> >         the possibility that we could damage the
> earth -
> >         through nucelar war or environmental
> catastrophe where
> >         humanity would not be a viable
> proposition. Always
> >         before, no matter how brutal a regime, its
> time would
> >         go as it had come. That is something that
> takes a bit
> >         of accomodation.
> >
> >         Best,
> >         Allenna
> >
> >
> >         --- R Clemens wrote:
> >
> >         > There is a Time message from 1974:
> >         >
> >        
>
http://amazing.deter.com/content/Politics/Time%20-%20Another%20Ice%20Age.pdf
> >         >
> >         > For me, the language used in this
> article is the
> >         > interesting point - e.g.,
> "Climatological Cassandras
> >         > are becoming increasingly apprehensive,
> for the
> >         > weather aberrations they are studying
> may be the
> >         > harbinger of another ice age."
> >         >
> >         > And then we can take recent work by Dr
> Toby
> >         > Tyrrell of the University of
> Southampton's School of
> >         > Ocean and Earth Science
> >         >
> >         (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/ 
> > 2007/08/070829193436.htm)
> >         > that might suggest some future utility
> for having
> >         > huge C02 banks via geo-sequestration
> should it get a
> >         > bit chilly.
> >         >
> >         > I tried to point his new data out to
> 'policy'
> 
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