Not that I revel in being anyone's balloon popper, but the whole connection to being "Celtic" and DNA is a dead end. As I attempted to hint earlier, "Celtic: is a cultural construct and has little to do with genes. Instead, it has everything to do with language and culture. Regardless of whether anyone's ancestors had "Celtic" blood, the truth of the matter lies closer to those who attempted (or continue to attempt) to krrp up the traditions of the group we call "Celtic"--and some would argue that this is impossible in today's circumstances....
-- Fhiona MacGhilleRhuadh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hello Kenneth and everyone,
I printed "Back-tracking from Babel" off and read it
last night as well, highlighter in hand. I am also
going to find and read Panshin's essay referred to in
The idea of Celtic Iron Age marauders swooping across
Europe assimilating or annhilating all in thier path
never sat well with me. Instinctively, the theory
proposed by the 19th century scholars supporting the
rise of nationalism/empire building just didnt "fit",
although I didnt know why.
With the advent of mDNA and y-chromosome research,
some of my questions were being answered, which only
led to more questions, (realizing of course the pro's
and cons as well as limitations of this field of study
as pointed out by John ie research design etc).
I will also certainly take the time to peruse the
archives of Celtic-L for previous discussion on the
topic rather than trouble the list with a re-hash.
--- Kenneth Smith <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I think another study is even more apropos than the
> one I
> recommended at first, and that is "Back-tracking
> from Babel:
> Genetics and the Indo-European Languages"
> In this lecture one is exposed to recent scholarship
> Europe in the Paleolithic and Mesolithic eras in
> which scholars
> attempt to account for how the Indo-European
> languages came to the
> continent and they use the mapping of the human
> genome to assist.
> Of principal concern in this study is the enigma of
> the Celtic
> peoples, being the westernmost example of the
> language. You will read the discussion of why the
> traditional East
> to West "invasion" theory is discounted in favor of
> the newer
> theory: The Paleolithic Continuity Theory.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce L. Jones" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: Thinking Celtic (was Re: Old list
> >I downloaded it and it was failry interesting.
> However, there was
> > another paper on the same page that was
> interesting also:
> > Mystery Men of Europe: Gypsies, Basques and
> Vanished Picts
> > Bruce L. Jones
> > The Mojave Desert - The Geographic Center of
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: CELTIC-L - The Celtic Culture List.
> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Kenneth Smith
> >> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:06 PM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: Thinking Celtic (was Re: Old list
> >> Well that much is currently in doubt, whether the
> Celts are
> >> invaders who only appeared in the iron age or are
> aboriginal to
> >> the commonly known "British Isles."
> >> I refer the list to a genetic and anthropological
> study at
> >> <http:www.bobhay.net>, select the link for .U3A
> courses, then
> >> the
> >> link for "Genes, Genealogy, and the Migrations of
> Man." One of
> >> the
> >> downloadable course lectures is "The Nation Which
> Never Was:
> >> Celts
> >> and The Making of a Modern Myth" referring to the
> great expanse
> >> of
> >> land which the tribal Celtic peoples inhabited
> yet without any
> >> unifying institutions other than those of
> language, religion,
> >> and
> >> tribal structure.
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