If I had simply retained Celtic and La Tène and just added some extra opinion then
no one would know which interpretation anyone was writing about and the confusion
would remain. If someone uses Celtic A and B, then these have to be specifically
understood. No one had any problems with my new classification for Coriosolite coins
which consists of Series X, Y, and Z and Groups A to O, and these have been used by
people who are familiar with the system in describing Coriosolite coins (Such as
Chris Rudd who is not only a specialist dealer in Celtic coins, but the publisher of
many academic papers on the subject)
I named them Celtic A and B as that seemed a simple way of putting it, and A and B
signify major differences, but allow for some basic degree of "sameness" or
"relatedness". Besides, the inventor of a system gets to name the terms!
I have communicated with colleagues for more than twenty years. This does not mean
that we all have to agree, retain old classifications and cannot develop new ideas!
Innovation is not a Bad Thing.
> The difficulty remains, John, in that you have assigned your subgroup
> the same rank as the group itself.
> As you state yourself, your 'Celtic A' group is the generic language group.
> Assuming we retain your lettering system, that leaves you to far more
> clearly and explicitly refer to your 'Celtic B' subgroup as 'Celtic A1',
> or alternatively 'Celtic Aa' as but two suggestions.
> Preferably, however, to be consistent with long established practice as
> well as logical, you might as easily refer to your 'Celtic A' group as
> simply 'Celtic'.
> It follows that since we already have the words available to us, your
> 'Celtic B' subgroup can be called 'Celtic - La Tene', or simply 'La Tene'.
> We all know what that means already without having to go all the way
> back trying to pick up a peculiar new vocabulary entirely your own,
> which you have stated came about simply because it pleases you.
> And no, I disagree that all classification systems are subjective. I
> agree even less that there is nothing we can do about that.
> There is such a thing as collaboration with colleagues, and together
> develop a mutually useful and far less personally subjective vocabulary
> that can be shared, and logical consistency I find myself obliged to add.
> That is what the University; The Academy if you will, is all about.
> John Hooker wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> In my last message, I said that all clasification divisions are
>> subjective. There is nothing that we can do about that, so it remains to
>> come up with classification systems that can be broadly agreed upon and
>> can be understood by people of differing interests.
>> There are very few people who would claim that the languages spoken in
>> Pre-Roman Gaul, Britain and Ireland etc. were not Celtic languages. This
>> term is one of the divisions of the classification system of Indo-European
>> languages and it is widely accepted. Those few who claim that the
>> pre-Roman British were speaking a Germanic language can be dismisssed by
>> simply showing them a British Celtic coin where its legend is clearly
>> Celtic. My primary classification is that Celtic A means those who spoke a
>> Celtic language.
>> Celtic B means those Celtic A people who made and used objects decorated
>> in the styles where the main design elements are derived from the palmette
>> and running scroll and were made from the fifth century B.C. to (roughly)
>> the second century A.D. This definition takes a little more study to
>> understand than does Celtic A, but this should not be an insurmountable
>> task for most people.
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