>Not self-defeatist, just realistic. I read somewhere that an adult
>learn another language can become fluent, but he/she will never lose that
>trace of accent that identifies him/her as a foreigner. If you start as a
>child it's a different story, but I don't think too many of us fit that
True but the point about those studies is that they look at adult learners
without formal training. With formal training you can do amazing things,
just think of all those opera singers who can sing in German and Italian and
generally sound like natives.
You may never fully lose your accent but everyone can reach a stage where
their pronunciation isn't an hinderance to communication anymore.