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Subject: Re: The e glè èasga idh gu daoin e a c huideachadh.
From: Alexander Justice <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Scottish Gaelic Language beginners forum <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:46:29 -0800

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I'd be happy just to figure out caol R. I know how to approximate it, but since I never *see* native speakers (Seosaidh Lexy on YouTube excepted) I don't know what it *really* is
On Thursday, November 08, 2007, at 09:39AM, "Michael Bauer" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>Aren't we mixing up quality and quantity of vowels here?
>Sort of, because Gaelic has 2 quantities and 2 qualities (long clear, short
>clear and short lax)
>>Personally, I wouldn't expect to hear a long closed front vowel at the 
>>end of these words indeed, 
>>but how about a short closed front vowel (or at least a representation 
>>of such a vowel, perhaps a bit more open than a cardinal [i]); 
>There's some leeway, agreed.  The thing is that experience has taught me to
>make people aim for something reduced in all unstressed syllables as they
>tend to overpronounce unstressed vowels big time.  Adding allophonic rules
>to that wouldn't be helpful and people usually come out with some variation
>anyway.  The important thing is not to overpronounce ; )
>> So I think the problem is: is the last vowel in 'dhachaidh' a 
>>more closed realisation of a phoneme /I/ or a more open 
>>realisation of a phoneme /i/?
>Let's avoid this particulat point on the list but feel free to take it off
>list ; )
>>Anyway, I'm only a layman where it comes down to Gaelic 
>>(only did a one-course at Glasgow Uni), but, from a learner's 
>>point of view am rather IPA-obsessed with wanting to 
>>have a standard Gaelic phoneme system.
>THAT's the easy bit ... ; )
>le meas
>Am Měcheal Eile

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