Would it were that easy, Steaphan (and I loved the article on wasps, by the way).
But I have been doing that for five years (using Litir do Luchd-ionnsachaidh, TYG, Cothrom Ionnsachaidh, and hours and hours of Radio nan Gaidheal among other things like audio CDs) and not getting "cuir" right until some kind soul told me exactly where my tongue was supposed to go. I even at one point had a native speaker from Donegal to practice conversation with (he learned Scots G from Mark Wringe). So it's not really so simple. Why is that R. Black, in Cothrom Ionnsachaidh, cannot even explain how to form slender R? And how far I got in four years is on record for all to see, since someone uploaded Cuairt nam Blog to Google videos. So judge for yourselves how well that works with someone who does well in university language classes (I've studied four languages at university level, though I actually read history, which is what my degree is in).
If a sound does not occur in your native language, and you are thousands of miles from the Gaidhealtachd and can't afford to go there, audio and even video just isn't enough for mastery (keep in mind that the whole point of the discussion originally was about "going beyond advanced intermediate").
I have to say I was very surprised that SMO's An Cursa Inntrigidh spends no time at all on forming the sounds. I understand the desire to get people *functioning* in Gaelic as quickly as possible. Especially if they had, as must often be the case, Gaelic parents or grandparents and had or have exposure to the phonetics. But An Cursa Inntrigidh is specifically a distance course, and half the students by my guess are outwith Alba. And they are at every different levels.
On Sunday, November 18, 2007, at 07:33AM, "Steaphan MacRisnidh" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>How exactly does all this linguistic chat help
>learners learn Gaelic? Some of it's interesting, but
>whatever happened to the "listen and repeat"
>If learners haven't identified sources where they can
>"listen and repeat", then they are obviously not that
>serious about learning the language.
>They only need to get an audio cd of a published book,
>and listen and read at the same time. It doesn't
>matter if they don't understand a word, cos eventually
>when they do, they will have the pronunciation down to
>Just get various cds and practise listening and
>repeating, listening and repeating......Keino, Am
>Bogha Froise, Tocasaid 'ain Tuirc..etc..
>You've got three different dialects with those books
>Am fear a loisgeas a mhàs, `s e fhèin a dh`fheumas suidh` air.
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