Thanks for your detailed reply !
Suppose many of my questions and proposals are taken away thanks to the
Colleborations Net Portal. It is a good starting place for world wide
communications. And a good starting point for further development.
I have put the Metaphorum-2005 page on it already and an abstract
about NIS project of the SIM chair of the MIPT -
(to activate the URLs you must click a button on the right of the NUEVO
Also I want "to open" some subnets under the Metaphorum Net.
One is about using the VSM foundation for moderen management and IT
technologies (BSC, TOC, BAM, "lean production" etc). They are too
empirical now ! I want to call this subnet something like "The VSM as
Upper Ontology" - please glad to look at another titles !
Suppose it will be a good implementation of Stafford's heritage.
What about a development of the VSM itself I have indicated some directions
last part of my paper "To keep abreast of the 21st Century" -
Suppose such type developments could be topics of one more "subnet" of the
Best, Leonid - http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it
BTW I have two new correspondents around Stafford Beer (John Earls
from Peru - http://macareo.pucp.edu.pe/~jearls/curriculumVitae.htm and
German Bula from Colombia - http://itsy.co.uk/archive/sisn/Member/German.htm
I'll send them info about the mailing list and the Collaborative Nets
Âû ïèñàëè 25 ìàÿ 2006 ã., 0:31:11:
> Dear Leonid:
> First of all thanks for your contribution for last
> Conference, and also after the event, in the
> development of the Forum and ongoing debates.
> I want to offer some answers to your questions below
> (see CAPS):
> Looking forward to hear more from you,
> Yours truly,
> Angela Espinosa
> --- Leonid Ototsky <[log in to unmask]> escribió:
>> As a virtual delegate of the Metaphorum I have some
>> questions and a
>> Please, your comments.
>> Questions :
>> 1. Will be a possibility to look at the
>> presentations texts ?
>> What about the proper website ?
>> It is bad result that the last year's
>> Metaphorum-2005 website by Ralf-Eckhard Tuerke
>> doesn,t work now !
>> (See my proposal).
> THIS MAY HAVE BEEN ADVANCED ALREADY BY THE CREATION OF
> THE LISTSERVE AND THE COLLABORATION NETWORKS SOFTWARE
> FROM VALLADOLID UNIVERSITY (J.P.RIOS). THE LISTSERVES
> HAS PROVEN MORE EFFECTIVE SO FAR, AFTER FEW WEEKS OF
> STARTING, THAN THE OPTION LAST YEAR THAT ATTRACTED
> FEWER CONVERSATIONS.
>> 2. Has been any talk about more active PR of
>> Stafford's ideas around the world ?
>> I'm interested in such new regions for me as France
>> and Italy in Europe, as Middle east,
>> as Far East, South Africa, Astralia and New Zealand
>> . Are any contacts in that regions ?
> NOT EXPLICITLY. IT COULD BE AN INTERESTING ISSUE FOR
> CONVERSATION. PERHAPS A C.N. COULD EMERGE FROM IT? WE
> DO HAVE METAPHORUM MEMBERS FROM SOME OF THE COUNTRIES
> YOU HAVE MENTIONED.
> IN ORDER TO FACILITATE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THIS
> INFORMATION WE'LL NEED PERMISSION FROM MEMBERS TO
> PUBLISH BASIC C.V. WITH CONTACT INFORMATION; THAT'LL
> MAKE IT EVIDENT FOR ALL OF US WHO IS IN THE NETWORK.
>> 3. Has been any intention about the
>> Metaphorum-2007 ?
> WE HAVE DECIDED IT'D BE AT ST GALLENS (SWITZERLAND) IF
> WE GET SUPPORT THERE TO MAKE IT.
>> 4. What main decisions has been made and
>> problems were disussed?
> IT WAS DECIDED THAT:
> A) NEXT YEAR THERE WILL BE A GENERAL ELECTION FOR
> PRESIDENT, GENERAL SECRETARIAT AND TREASURER.
> B) WE SHALL TRY TO MAKE IT AT ST GALLENS.
> C) THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SPECIAL ISSUE FOR THE OTSC
> Journal AND A BOOK TO BE DEVELOPED OVER NEXT YEAR.
> D) WE'LL TRY THE SOFTWARE OFFERED ON COLLABORATION
> NETWORKS, TO FACILITATE COMUNICATIONS AMONG MEMBERS.
>> 5. What about photos-videos at the
>> Metaphorum-2006 ?
>> JOSE PEREZ RIOS TOOK SOME PICTURES AND I HAVE
> RFEQUESTED HIM TO SEND US SOME FOR THE WEB PAGE.
>> Proposal .
>> Suppose there is a need in a Web Portal around the
>> Stafford's heritage activity !
>> With using powerful database as a core ( Oracle for
>> example). We use here in
>> Magnitogorsk very good developed by the UK division
>> of Oracle the HR module. I may
>> ask them about possible taking part in this
> SEEMS LIKE AN INTERESTING OPTION.
> Also I may organize such
>> hosting here in Russia because of I have close
>> contacts with our Magnitogorsk
>> main Internet provider and with Oracle-Russia
>> division .
> ALSO VERY GOOD IDEA, BUT VERY LIKELY NOT FOR NEXT
>> As first step it will be good to have a list of
>> persons around the world
>> like the Metaphorum-2006 delegate list but with
>> more detailes
>> (country, Skype, activities URLs etc).
> WE HAVE THE LIST WITH BASIC NAMES AND E-MAILS; WE CAN
> ASK MEMBERS FOR THESE EXTRA-DETAILS.
>> I have new contacts with two persons from IBM (see
>> one correspondence below).
> THANKS A LOT
>> Wating for your comments.
>> Thanks for letting me know of your interesting
>> It is encouraging indeed how often "Stafford Beer"
>> and "Viable System
>> Model" get cited in the management books.
>> With my best wishes,
>> Leonid Ototsky
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> 27.04.2006 13:42 Rudolf
>> Please respond to
>> leo <[log in to unmask]>
>> My paper "Stafford Beer & Cybersyn-2006" has been
>> put on the
>> Computerra weekly website yesterday -
>> Suppose you can read Russian (?). But there are some
>> names and URLs in
>> English in it (for example Doug McDavid and IBM).
>> The hard copy has been issued last week - Computerra
>> #15 (635).
>> Leonid - http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it
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