>From: Alizah E Solomon <[log in to unmask]>
>If Arthur lived during the 5th century, fighting off invading Saxons, by
>process of elimination, he would have been a Briton, i.e.. a Welshman.
Ok, so if Welshmen are the only true holders of the title Briton, can
someone please tell me why the name is used for people who live in England
then? Are we talking about the definition of Wales as we know it today ie
the Principality, or are we talking about a greater Wales, in that case did
the inhabitants of Wales today live in the other areas of greater Wales or
How can you prove to me that Arthur or his people were Welsh and not Scots?
Did the Romans bring all the people who populated England (then a country
not even thought of) from ‘other’ places and chased all the Celtic peoples
into the far-flung corners of the Islands? Why did that do this rather
costly adventure, I would have thought it was better to Romanise (sp) the
locals, rather than import your own labour and completely remove the
indigenous people into the far flung corners beyond the Empire.
If the Romans did Romanise the locals, then surly the same Celtic blood
strain would still be present after the Romans left. Did the ‘Proper’ Celts
who lived in Wales and Scotland intermingle with the Norwegian and Danish
Vikings? Are the Vikings Proper Celts, so then there would be not definition
The bottom line for me is this. When did the great genetic change occur that
said that only Irish, Scots, French and Welsh can be true Celts and the rest
of the godforsaken people cannot? I also want to know why Arthur cannot be
a Scot, or an Irishman by Birth?
What about the Saxons who fled north and settled in Scotland around
Edinburgh after 1066? Are their children called as Celtic today or are they
still referred to as English? To me this is a classical example of
population migration and intermixing, a thing that I would think very
conceivable after the Romans came.
I did once hear a radio programme about the definition of words a few years
ago that said something like this - ‘At one stage it was thought that the
Saxons wiped out the Romano-Britons, but since the word Briton came to be
regarded as a definition of ‘slave’, then it was conservable that the
indigenous people were left alone to continue farming and crafting things,
but had a lower social poison in the Saxon society then the Saxons
If not I will pack my towel, fish my 'thumb' out of its hidey-hole and wait
for the Heart of Gold to appear , hitch a lift and get myself legless
drinking Pan-Galactic gargle blasters, whilst trying to remember why the
Earth is mostly Harmless!"
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