pepd perez wrote:
> > Ahem, I think it would be better if you qualified
> > that sentence a little.
> > There are some of us "neopagans" who believe in
> > solid scholarship and doing research.
> Yeah, yeah...I knew someone would feel touched by
> my words. But, tell me, honestly: Have you NEVER found
> any of those fellows who believe Stonehenge was built
> by the Celts (or the aliens, or the dwellers of
> Atlantis), and would swear that the Old Woman of Beare
> is a poem devoted to the Godess earth?
Oh, I've found them all right, and every time I do, I steer them away
from Llewellyn books into real scholarship. They're -trying- to learn,
but there have been few enough credible sources, and far too many
opportunists writing schlock books with 'the secret of the ages.' Chief
among them has been Raymond Buckland, who's written everything from "The
Magic of Chant-o-Matics" to "Saex-Wicca".
However, Cristobal, lumping us all together in the same crowded cliched
cauldron does -you- no credit, either.
> I feel a certain simpathy for neopaganism:
Gee, thanks <grin>!
> I also
> love the Ulster Cycle, I would love to have been born
> in those heroical days. I dislike this industrial,
> pos-Christian world (no forests, no magic, no poetry).
> But many neopagans apparently think that they can make
> history go back.
And so do many Creative Anachronists and other re-creative groups which
attempt to bring back the old days of various eras.
> It is impossible, in my opinion, to
> uncover the old religion, unless you start to accept
> "quick conclusions" like those that R.Karl has
> witfully attacked. Things like "The White Godess" from
> Robert Graves. And, well, that book is amazing,
> brilliant...but probably wrong at the main points.
Our circle has oft said there are jewels of inspiration there, but that
Graves must've dropped the manuscript on the way to the publisher, and
just shoved the pages together in random order, and the typesetters
never re-ordered them.
I think the issue facing those of us who want to do Celtic research and
who are drawn to the gods of the old religions (for there was certainly
more than one religion and one god), is that we -do- initially get drawn
to the simple solutions, and some of us need guidance to find our way
out of the maze of misinformation. It's not helped by the fact that
there are as many opinions about how to do this as there are people, and
they are almost all convinced of their own rectitude.
Ray's papers on "What We Really Know About the Celtic Religion" and
social structure and brehon law have been excellent guides that I've
shown to my circle members, but even those I encourage them to read the
reference sources and draw their own conclusions. I bring back
discussions we have here to my circle, to aid them in attempting to
understand the mindset of our ancestors, and to help us evolve into a
religious path appropriate for modern college-educated individuals who
are drawn to the gods worshipped by our ancestors. We make no claim to
ancient origins, but to ancient inspiration. We make to claim to
rectitude, but we will defend the path and methods that is right -for
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