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Subject: Re: Black Rose in Gaelic
From: "D. Livingston-Lowe" <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:D. Livingston-Lowe
Date:Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:03:38 -0500

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A Mharion chir,

Chan eil a fhios agam. Ach ann an Dghlas Clyne, _Gaelic Names for Flowers
and Plants_ (1989), fhuair esan facal air bho Cholbhasa: dreas nam mucag,
the rose's bristly seeds apparently resembling a little pig brush. No poetic
references to Scotland in that one, I'm afraid.

The newer _Ainmean Gidhlig Lusan_ (1999) le Clark & MacDonald gives 'dreas
nam mucag' and in addition to their own coined, and lovely sounding, 'rs
beag bn na h-Alba', which they explain they took as a direct translation
from Hugh MacDiarmid's touching short verse, "The Little White Rose ".
Garvie's _Gaelic names of plants, fungi & animals_ (1999) does not deal with
the white rose at all.

Why the association with Alba? Any insights anyone? Cite am bheil na

Le deagh dhrachd,

-----Original Message-----
From: Marion Gunn <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: February 19, 2001 10:36
Subject: Re: Black Rose in Gaelic

Ar 15:38 +0000 2001-02-19, scrobh Dibhidh MacDhunlibhe-Lowe:
>A Charaid chir,
>If it was Scottish Gaelic you were looking for, Risn will not work, only
>the root form, Rs, with grave accent. Black Rose = An Rs Dubh. Or, as
>with Marion's suggestion, compound words like An Ciar-rs or An
>Drs/Dubhrs would also work.
>Le deagh dhrachd,

Is maith sin. As urrainn d. uile 'Dubhrs' a chleachdadh, mar sin. Now, a
q. I have always wanted to ask: why the white rose for Scotland? Buille
faoi thuairim? Alba = bn as Laidin?:-)

Marion Gunn <[log in to unmask]>

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