> From: Lars De Richter [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> The Tuatha De Danann are one of the mythological races who invaded
> Ireland. They won Ireland from the Fir Bolg, but they lost it again from
> Milesians (these should be the Celts, who still live in Ireland). The main
> source about them is the so-called "Book of Invasions" or the "Leabhar
> Gabala". They had a lot of magical powers and they are often described as
> Gods, but in the end the Milesians conquered Ireland from them with the
> help of their "druid" Amergin. After which the Tuatha De Danann went under
> the ground and they were believed to live in the many mounds of Ireland as
> the "Sidhe".
>> To state all this flatly as factual is to misunderstand the
materials and to leave out all the various factors and contradictions in the
myths.To put it another way, I find this paragraph to be an oversimplified
conglomeration of various modern interpretations of the Leabhar Gabala
rather than a description of the material on its own terms. The
oversimplification ignores the fact that the LGE was itself an attempt to
rationalize bits of native historical tradition with biblical historical
traditions and classical ones.
From Lars again:
This was actually meant as an oversimplification.
> You can read the text of the Book of Invasions as it was translated by
> and Slover on the following Web-page:
> And also in the (christian) Annals of Ireland remains of these myths have
> survived. Read e.g.
> http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/T100005A/ especially from section M3303.1
> I am sure that the net has many more sites about the Tuatha de Danann
> since the subject has inspired many people for ages and it still does.
> Especially Celtic Pagans have always had a huge interest in them
>> "Huger interest"? It's safe to say that these stories meant as
to pre-Christian Irish as any biblical story meant to the people of Israel.
The stories also continue to play an essential role in modern Irish culture.
In many places even today, audiences rise to their feet with respect when
the tales of Fionn Mac cumhaill and his followers are told by traditional
From Lars again:
This is quite the opposite of what Cross & Slover say. But I like your
proposition more. Do you have some more information on this? (there was also
some confusion: I meant modern pagans, sorry, my fault)
> and even complete magical systems have been build around them (but as is
> often the case with these things, they are not always very accurate) (see
> e.g. Blamires, Steve. 1992. The Irish Celtic Magical Tradition. London:
> Aquarian Press. I know there is a more recent edition with another title,
> but I don't seem to remember it.)
>> Blamires is a Ceremonial Magician and student of Western Mystery
Traditions who fancies himself an "expert" on Celtica. He is not. He didn't
even figure out that the Ildanach (as he says) was not a separate figure but
a soubriquet of Lugh.
From Lars again:
I never read the book and I did not claim it was any good. (Although I do
like some of John Matthews's book, in reply to one of your other mails; esp.
his "Encyclopedia of Celtic Wisdom" and his "The Celtic Reader") I have read
some part of it today and I have to agree with you that he doesn't know very
well what he's talking about. Sorry Kitty and Francine. I was also not very
sure why Kitty asked, I included it in case she asked out of some pagan
interest. (Most people, who visit my website about Celtic Mythology (in
Dutch, I'm sorry, new version with translation on its way) do so because
they are interested in some form of Celtic Paganism and they mostly are very
much interested in the Tuatha De Danann).