> C. Gwinn [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> That is not born out by the facts. As I have said, Olmsted has proven
You sent me a news summary that stated:
"French philologists (historians specializing in the study of ancient
calendars) were reluctant to accept Olmsted's system until very recently,
when philologist Pinault confirmed in Gnomen (a critical publication for
classical ancient history) that the BSC faculty member's findings are
accurate and cannot be doubted.
This does not state that they accepted his ideas about the Celtic
celebrations being results of calendar drift. It also does not "prove" that
scholars in general accept his notion of the feasts having drifted. I find
it interesting, though not necessarily significant, that the CSANA
bibliography, while it does cite other works by Olmsted, does not cite this
> in a very academically (and mathematically) sound discussion of the
> Gaulish calendar that the entire calendar was based around counting the
> solstices with multi-day festivals occuring right around the solstices and
> If you are thinking that the Gaulish "Trinox Samoni sindiu" notation of
> Coligny calendar is the same as the Irish feast of Samain, you would not
> necessarily be correct.- first of all, the day is not a festival (marked
> the word Iuos) and, secondly the month Samonios may actually fall in June,
> making its festivals fall around the summer solstice, which would be the
> proto-type for Beltene and not Samain.
This idea has been tossed around, but I believe the majority still
come down on the side of Smahin being the Trinox Samoni.
> As I have discussed,
Actually, you have not discussed. You simply stated that Olsted
> the Insular holidays originally DID mark the Solstices
> and euinoxes, but they drifted forward due to an internal error in the
> calendar which was uncorrected by the British and Irish Celts (though it
> seems to have been caught and corrected by the Gauls). Thus, Samain marked
> the Winter Solstice, Beltene the Summer, Lugnasad the Fall Equinox and
> Imbolg the Spring Equinox. The myths and dieties associated with these
> festivals seems to nicely match these original dates as well.
In what ways?
> This argument is not based on assured facts. First of all, no one knows
> for sure when Celtic speaking people entered the British Isles, but it is
> believed by some that "Proto-Celts" may have entered as early as the
> Neolithic. Even if this is too early, it is highly likely that some type
> Celtic speech began to enter during the Bronze Age. No matter if Celtic
> speech entered via migrations or cultural contact, it is widely
> that the earlier inhabitants of Western Europe played a significant part
> the ethnic makeup of people we call Celts. Thus, if Bronze Age people in
> Western France, Britain and Ireland were celebrating the solstices and
> equinoxes, then Iron Age Celtic speakers were doing the same, even if they
> were not using the megaliths as temples anymore (by the way, I have read
> that there indeed was a continuity of usage of certain monuments in
> into the Iron Age).
I would like to see some sources and quotes before accepting what,
as far as I know, are highly speculative statements.