Van: Daniel Schneider [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Verzonden: maandag 19 juni 2000 12:47
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Onderwerp: Re: celtic people?
>>The time I was talking about (in this passage; if I still remember, I
>> >cited Cunliffe there) was way before the Anglo-Saxons came in. And your
>> >point proves that one of the ways in which etnicity can come into being
>> >(or can be neutralized, perhaps pre-existing etnicity in different
>> >groups, that we now call celtic, was neutralized because of Roman and
>> >later Germanic oppression)is via the recognition of a common enemy.
Well, IIRC, in "The Gallic Wars" Caeser refers to the movement of the Druidh
throughout Gaul, and says that warriors were coming over from Britain to
help fight against the Romans. He also mentions that young Gauls who wanted
to become Druidh would go to Britain to be taught. Here in Ireland, there's
a wall, called the Black Pig's dyke, which runs along nearly the entire
Ulaidh border. The interesting thing about it is that it is constructed to
the same specs (allowing for variations due to different types of
terrain)for the whole length. Considering the number of different tribes'
territories that the dyke crossed, the implication is that there was a
"central planning authority" and (this is the significant bit) that the
peopl on the Ulaidh side of the wall felt that they had connection with the
groups on their side, as opposed to the the other side.
These examples tend to reinforce the idea that the sense of ethnicity was a
response to an external threat, so let's look a bit further back (and back
onto the continent); during the Hallstatt period, the elites who controlled
the trade routes very clearly had contact with each other, as well as with
the Greeks and/or Etruscans, and the archaeological evidence shows that
regardless of who they were trading with, they were getting the same types
of goods from the Mediterranians (big, fancy cauldrons and other feasting
equipment,fancy fibulae and other jewelry, etc.), and , at least in a
funerery context, were using them in the same ways. A comparison with the
chiefdoms in Austria/Switzerland/France, who traded primarily with the
Massaliotes, with those of the Danube/Balkans, who traded primarily with the
Etruscans show this continuity quite clearly.
I realise that none of these things are conclusive proof, but taken
together, they do, IMO, tend to support the view that there was some
recognition of a common thread, perhaps on the order of our concepts of
"western culture" or "Latin America", and unless someone finds a Gaulish
inscription referring to "our cousins the Pretani", it's prob'ly going to be
as close as we get.
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