> From: Ellen [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> I have O/ Siadhail LEARNING IRISH and I bought it exactly 4 years ago this
> week. I've made it through Chapter 1. I just gave up. I've learned to
> read lots of words, but I couldn't put together a sentence because of the
> rules of grammar.
What about the grammar did you find so difficult?
> The tapes make me crazy. The speakers make a valiant effort to be clear,
> but I don't catch the subtle differences between sounds in words that look
> like they're spelled the same but have a different pronunciation because
> of the fada.
The distinction to some extent varies from one dialect to another.
> There was a group that met here for about 6 months using the program you
> mention. There was a woman born in Dublin who spoke the language as a
> child, but she really didn't remember THAT much; she wasn't exactly light
> years a head of her pupils. They liked the program as a group, but,
> honestly, I don't think any of them had a clue if they were pronouncing
> anything correctly or not. They had a good time. A book and tape just
> can't replace a native speaker of any dialect.
> If you apply yourself, you can probably learn to read it from any of the 3
> primary "learner" programs, but I don't think you can be overly concerned
> about pronunciation. I'd like to go to Oideas Gael, but I don't want to
> spend weeks in one place if I ever get to go to Ireland. I want to see
> Ireland. Such a problem.
Most state have a chapter of Ceoltas which holds classes with live
> There is a beginning learning Irish list and you can ask how to pronounce
> words on it. My experience was I'd get 10 different answers depending on
> the dialect (like duit would be anything from dwit to thwit),
That happens with English, too. ;)