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7.2.1 footnote 1 (1 message)
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<XMP> and <LISTING>, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST (3 messages)
<XMP> and <LISTING>, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: ...) (5 messages)
A Multimedia-didactical improvement/suggestion. (1 message)
A/LINK attributes (2 messages)
A/LINK attributes (was Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)) (1 message)
acknowledgements (1 message)
APPLET = FIG (was Re: Java Applet element proposal) (4 messages)
Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables) (17 messages)
Broken links on HTML Math page at www.htl.hp.co.uk (1 message)
Broken links on HTML Math page at www.htl.hp.co.ukI got a failure report when trying to email [log in to unmask] as (1 message)
Case Sensitivity (2 messages)
Comment Declarations (2 messages)
Comments on June 8 draft (long) (11 messages)
COMPOSITE (was Re: APPLET = FIG) (3 messages)
conformance with HTML-2, LINT? (1 message)
content model of HEAD (5 messages)
Correct syntax of <LI> tags (8 messages)
Dexterm Model [was: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements (fwd) ] (1 message)
Draft document in PostScript (1 message)
Fragment IDs case sensitive? [was: Comments on June 8 draft (long) ] (1 message)
FYI: HTML 2.0 (1 message)
How do you include a <INPUT TYPE="IMAGE"> to work? (3 messages)
HTML 2.0 DTD (1 message)
HTML 2.0 June 15 draft: Bibliography links to sources? (1 message)
HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: *emph() and acknowledgements (2 messages)
HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: <TEXTAREA> content (3 messages)
HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: DOCTYPEs (1 message)
HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements (17 messages)
HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements (fwd) (1 message)
HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Minor typos (1 message)
HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs (24 messages)
HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs (fwd)Precedence: bulk (1 message)
HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Security words (4 messages)
HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL (7 messages)
HTML 2.0 Tidbits (3 messages)
html.dtd broken? (2 messages)
http server which returns "charset:" correctly (4 messages)
Hyperlink Terminology Re: Comments on June 8 draft (3 messages)
Hyperlink Terminology Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long) (1 message)
I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-html-spec-03.txt (1 message)
I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-html-spec-04.txt (1 message)
Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag? (11 messages)
INCLUDE (was: Re: META) (2 messages)
InsignificantTypo man's crazy idea (2 messages)
Java Applet element proposal (15 messages)
June 15 draft -- DL (5 messages)
June 15 draft by ftp (1 message)
June 15 draft: INPUT, ISO-8859, SGML references (1 message)
June 8 draft by ftp (1 message)
June 8 draft: minor nits. the last one? (4 messages)
Last call: Intro, SGML, MIME sections (3 messages)
LAST UPDATED and FRESH UNTIL dates (3 messages)
Latin-1 references (3 messages)
LI syntax, Modest Proposal (1 message)
May 31 Draft (3 messages)
META (37 messages)
METHODS and TITLE (12 messages)
More syntax details in HTML 2.0? (27 messages)
netscapism quote (6 messages)
Null partial URLs with fragment IDs: spec vs behavior! (1 message)
Numeric char references (8 messages)
Presentation methods/media types (2 messages)
Presentation methods/media types (was: Java Applet element proposal) (2 messages)
Q: Where to find DTDs referenced in HTML3 draft (1 message)
Re [LAST CALL]: progress on HTML 2.0 reconstruction (1 message)
RFC's In HTML Format (1 message)
Stockholm registration (1 message)
Suggestion for HTML Text Format Elements (1 message)
tables, map pages (2 messages)
TAGLVL (1 message)
unsanctioned drift (1 message)
Use of ALIGN attribute with ADDRESS (html 3.0) (1 message)
What happend to <LINK NAME="..." ... >? (1 message)
Whence the HTML DTD [was] Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0? (4 messages)
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and <LISTING>, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fisher Mark</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jun 95 10:24:33 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">22 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('How about this:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/html-spec/html-spec_4.html#SEC37&lt;br&gt;Thu Jun 8 15:08:56 1995&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Example and Listing: XMP, LISTING&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The XMP and LISTING elements are similar to the PRE element, but they&lt;br&gt;have a different syntax. Their content is declared as CDATA, which&lt;br&gt;means that no markup except the end-tag open delimiter-in-context is&lt;br&gt;recognized (see 9.6 &quot;Delimiter Recognition&quot; of [SGML]). (18)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since CDATA declared content has a number of unfortunate interactions&lt;br&gt;with processing techniques and tends to be used and implemented&lt;br&gt;inconsistently, HTML documents should not contain XMP nor LISTING&lt;br&gt;elements -- the PRE tag is more expressive and more consistently&lt;br&gt;supported. [...]','Re: &amp;lt;XMP&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;LISTING&amp;gt;, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST','Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:56:42 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=80521">Re: <XMP> and <LISTING>, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:56:42 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">35 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Daniel W. Connolly &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; How about this:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The XMP and LISTING elements are similar to the PRE element, but they&lt;br&gt;&gt; have a different syntax. Their content is declared as CDATA, which&lt;br&gt;&gt; means that no markup except the end-tag open delimiter-in-context is&lt;br&gt;&gt; recognized (see 9.6 &quot;Delimiter Recognition&quot; of [SGML]). (18)&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Since CDATA declared content has a number of unfortunate interactions&lt;br&gt;&gt; with processing techniques and tends to be used and implemented&lt;br&gt;&gt; inconsistently, HTML documents should not contain XMP nor LISTING&lt;br&gt;&gt; elements -- the PRE tag is more expressive and [...]','Re: &amp;lt;XMP&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;LISTING&amp;gt;, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST','Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:50:42 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=85816">Re: <XMP> and <LISTING>, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:50:42 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">38 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="4"></a><a href="#4">&lt;XMP&gt; and &lt;LISTING&gt;, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: ...)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[log in to unmask] (Arthur van Hoff) wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; [[log in to unmask] wrote:]&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; CDATA declared content is PURE EVIL, and I\'d like to&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; see &lt;XMP&gt; and &lt;LISTING&gt; pushed as far away as possible&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; from the other more respectable block elements.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Calling them &quot;deprecated&quot; is not strong enough for me.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; They were &quot;obsolete&quot; as of May 31, and I *strongly urge* that&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; they stay that way until HTML 2.1, when they should&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; be eliminated altogether.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Could you explain why you think that elements with a CDATA content&lt;br&gt; [...]','&amp;lt;XMP&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;LISTING&amp;gt;, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: ...)','Fri, 2 Jun 95 21:12:38 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=39065"><XMP> and <LISTING>, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: ...)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 21:12:38 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">107 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;[a nice explanation of how evil CDATA declared content is]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; [[log in to unmask] wrote:]&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; CDATA declared content is PURE EVIL, and I\'d like to&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; see &lt;XMP&gt; and &lt;LISTING&gt; pushed as far away as possible&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; from the other more respectable block elements.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Calling them &quot;deprecated&quot; is not strong enough for me.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; They were &quot;obsolete&quot; as of May 31, and I *strongly urge* that&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; they stay that way until HTML 2.1, when they should&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; be eliminated altogether. [...]','Re: &amp;lt;XMP&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;LISTING&amp;gt;, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: ...)','Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:06:52 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=43290">Re: <XMP> and <LISTING>, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: ...)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:06:52 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">56 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Daniel W. Connolly &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; [[log in to unmask] wrote:]&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Calling them &quot;deprecated&quot; is not strong enough for me.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; They were &quot;obsolete&quot; as of May 31, and I *strongly urge* that&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; they stay that way until HTML 2.1, when they should&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; be eliminated altogether.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Before this change (moving XMP/LISTING from appendix to normative but&lt;br&gt;&gt; deprecated), the DTD was inconsistent with the prose of the spec. So&lt;br&gt;&gt; my choices were: change the DTD, or change the prose. [...]','Re: &amp;lt;XMP&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;LISTING&amp;gt;, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: ...)','Sat, 3 Jun 95 15:39:29 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=51295">Re: <XMP> and <LISTING>, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: ...)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 15:39:29 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">101 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; Date: Sat, 3 Jun 95 15:39:22 EDT&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: Joe English &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Daniel W. Connolly &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; [[log in to unmask] wrote:]&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Calling them &quot;deprecated&quot; is not strong enough for me.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; They were &quot;obsolete&quot; as of May 31, and I *strongly urge* that&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; they stay that way until HTML 2.1, when they should&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; be eliminated altogether.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Before this change (moving XMP/LISTING from appendix to normative but&lt;br&gt;&gt; [...]','Re: &amp;lt;XMP&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;LISTING&amp;gt;, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: ...)','Mon, 5 Jun 95 05:54:20 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=56063">Re: <XMP> and <LISTING>, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: ...)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">James Clark</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jun 95 05:54:20 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">49 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('How about a paragraph like:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;XMP and LISTING are obsolete elements, present in the DTD for&lt;br&gt;backwards compatibility only. User agents should support these legacy&lt;br&gt;elements, but should not encourage their use. Thus HTML editors should be&lt;br&gt;able to process legacy documents containing XMP or LISTING elements, but&lt;br&gt;should not support the insertion of new XMP or LISTING elements. Document&lt;br&gt;authors are reminded that new HTML documents should never contain elements&lt;br&gt;marked as obsolete. [...]','Re: &amp;lt;XMP&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;LISTING&amp;gt;, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: ...)','Mon, 5 Jun 95 10:11:49 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=58104">Re: <XMP> and <LISTING>, declared content (Was Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: ...)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ian Graham</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jun 95 10:11:49 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">65 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="5"></a><a href="#5">A Multimedia-didactical improvement/suggestion.</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('','A Multimedia-didactical improvement/suggestion.','Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:43:54 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=71133">A Multimedia-didactical improvement/suggestion.</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tesi Sirovich - 160295</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:43:54 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">100 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="6"></a><a href="#6">A/LINK attributes</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; As an HTML author, I would prefer a &quot;flash which lights up as the pointer&lt;br&gt;&gt; passes over&quot; to be represented by an attribute with a clear name, such as&lt;br&gt;&gt; MESSAGE.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;link href=&quot;...&quot; title=&quot;Vacation&quot; message=&quot;See why Chevy Chase left MD&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; -Walter&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I and Davide would prefer, too.&lt;br&gt;And modifying the cursor shape would even be more useful. [...]','Re: A/LINK attributes','Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:30:28 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=145157">Re: A/LINK attributes</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:30:28 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">43 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; Showing a message or modifying the cursor could be a good idea to give HTML&lt;br&gt;&gt; authors more flexibility in writing interactive documents.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I ever get back into the business of writing browsers, I&lt;br&gt;will deliberately design the software to ignore any such&lt;br&gt;idiocies as these. I don\'t care how nonconformant it makes&lt;br&gt;it. This is an abomination unto the earth. [...]','Re: A/LINK attributes','Tue, 20 Jun 95 10:33:19 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=146438">Re: A/LINK attributes</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tim Pierce</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 10:33:19 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">21 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="7"></a><a href="#7">A/LINK attributes (was Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long))</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 08:34p 06/14/95, Peter Flynn wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; By the way... Roy Fielding suggested getting rid of the METHODS&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; attribute of the A and LINK element. I\'m game for it. In fact,&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; I can imagine getting rid of URN and TITLE too. Any thoughts?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Well the test is \'current practice\' ... as far as I can tell URN&lt;br&gt;&gt; is still being defined. Does any UA support METHODS or TITLE?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;METHODS I\'m lukewarm about, but I would have thought TITLE had far too&lt;br&gt;&gt;much potential to get rid of.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Like LINK, I [...]','A/LINK attributes (was Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long))','Tue, 20 Jun 95 02:14:49 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=144439">A/LINK attributes (was Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long))</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Walter Ian Kaye</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 02:14:49 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="8"></a><a href="#8">acknowledgements</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dave\'s point is well made. Either someone has to comb the archives&lt;br&gt;and make value judgements about who should be on the list, or we should&lt;br&gt;adopt a blanket acknowledgement.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I say go with the blanket acknowledement.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;stu&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; It wasn\'t difficult for me to verify that the list was incomplete&lt;br&gt;&gt; and on refelection that several other active contributors are missing.&lt;br&gt;&gt; So my feeling is that it would be better to not list the whole&lt;br&gt;&gt; working group but rather just acknowledge the group.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; How about:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Special thanks to the many [...]','acknowledgements','Thu, 1 Jun 95 13:57:45 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=902">acknowledgements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 13:57:45 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">35 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="9"></a><a href="#9">APPLET = FIG (was Re: Java Applet element proposal)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('As I\'ve previously suggested on the hotjava-interest list, &lt;APPLET&gt;&lt;br&gt;is really nothing more than &lt;FIG&gt;, with one small extension. We do&lt;br&gt;not need a new script-specific tag.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The purpose of &lt;FIG&gt;, after all, is to define a rectangular image&lt;br&gt;area in an HTML document, and to then retrieve a SRC document in&lt;br&gt;order to paint this area. The MIME Media Type of the SRC document&lt;br&gt;determines exactly how the rendering will be accomplished. As Dave&lt;br&gt;Raggett says in his HTML3 draft, [...]','APPLET = FIG (was Re: Java Applet element proposal)','Fri, 2 Jun 95 21:09:13 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=38366">APPLET = FIG (was Re: Java Applet element proposal)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Paul Burchard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 21:09:13 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">93 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Paul writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;The only slight glitch here is that we get very long URIs which&lt;br&gt;won\'t fit legally into &lt;FIG&gt;\'s SRC attribute. To work around this,&lt;br&gt;we can define a &quot;URI extension&quot; tag, &lt;PARAM SRC=&quot;...&quot;&gt;. The content&lt;br&gt;of &lt;FIG&gt; may begin with any number of &lt;PARAM&gt; tags, whose SRC&lt;br&gt;attributes will be concatenated to extend the &lt;FIG&gt;\'s own SRC&lt;br&gt;attribute. However, the &lt;FIG&gt;\'s SRC must be a syntactically valid&lt;br&gt;URI by itself. [...]','Re: APPLET = FIG (was Re: Java Applet element proposal)','Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:37:26 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=44087">Re: APPLET = FIG (was Re: Java Applet element proposal)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:37:26 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">48 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Greetings folks. I\'ve refrained from speaking on this list up till now&lt;br&gt;due to my being &quot;just&quot; a web document author; however, I feel I actually&lt;br&gt;have something useful to say, so here goes...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Terry writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;I agree with your main point, which is that the APPLET proposal is&lt;br&gt;&gt;overspecific, and I\'d like to be able to fold it into FIG, or fold&lt;br&gt;&gt;both into something else. [...]','Re: APPLET = FIG (was Re: Java Applet element proposal)','Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:45:23 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=47469">Re: APPLET = FIG (was Re: Java Applet element proposal)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Walter Ian Kaye</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:45:23 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">46 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&quot;Terry Allen&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Ugh. concatenating att values is real ugly. This data&lt;br&gt;&gt; should either be element content [...] or non-SGML info&lt;br&gt;&gt; pointed at by a URI.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Agreed. And since very long URIs can occur anywhere, we should&lt;br&gt;avoid a &lt;FIG&gt;-specific solution. The best practical solution is&lt;br&gt;probably to make use of element content inside &lt;HEAD&gt;, which is by&lt;br&gt;default not rendered. In other words, what we need is a non-empty&lt;br&gt;form of &lt;LINK&gt;, and support for indirect reference to &lt;LINK&gt; URIs. [...]','Re: APPLET = FIG (was Re: Java Applet element proposal)','Sun, 4 Jun 95 04:12:40 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=53839">Re: APPLET = FIG (was Re: Java Applet element proposal)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Paul Burchard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 4 Jun 95 04:12:40 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">46 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="10"></a><a href="#10">Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The current consensus seems to be that between HTML 2.0 and 3.0 there&lt;br&gt;ought to be small, incremental steps, so that eventually nothing&lt;br&gt;controversial remains for HTML 3.0.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So here is my attempt at defining such a small, incremental step. The&lt;br&gt;only thing it does is to allow a TABLE element everywhere that a P is&lt;br&gt;allowed, bringing HTML to version 2.1. [...]','Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Thu, 22 Jun 95 09:31:28 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=159709">Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Bert Bos</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 09:31:28 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">1272 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; From: Bert Bos &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; To: Multiple recipients of list &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The current consensus seems to be that between HTML 2.0 and 3.0 there&lt;br&gt;&gt; ought to be small, incremental steps, so that eventually nothing&lt;br&gt;&gt; controversial remains for HTML 3.0.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; So here is my attempt at defining such a small, incremental step. The&lt;br&gt;&gt; only thing it does is to allow a TABLE element everywhere that a P is&lt;br&gt;&gt; allowed, bringing HTML to version 2.1.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The table syntax is very simple, with even less [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Thu, 22 Jun 95 10:46:00 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=160941">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Paul Grosso</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 10:46:00 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">173 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Bert writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;% The current consensus seems to be that between HTML 2.0 and 3.0 there&lt;br&gt;% ought to be small, incremental steps, so that eventually nothing&lt;br&gt;% controversial remains for HTML 3.0.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;% So here is my attempt at defining such a small, incremental step. The&lt;br&gt;% only thing it does is to allow a TABLE element everywhere that a P is&lt;br&gt;% allowed, bringing HTML to version 2.1. [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:05:10 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=161688">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Maurizio Codogno</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:05:10 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">43 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Paul Grosso writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; From: Bert Bos &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; To: Multiple recipients of list &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Subject: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; The current consensus seems to be that between HTML 2.0 and 3.0 there&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; ought to be small, incremental steps, so that eventually nothing&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; controversial remains for HTML 3.0.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; So here is my attempt at defining such a small, incremental step. The&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; only thing it does is to allow a TABLE element everywhere that a P is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; allowed, bringing HTML [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:26:43 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=163797">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:26:43 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">58 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Paul Grosso writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; I agree with the idea of an HTML 2.1 that equals 2.0 plus tables.&lt;br&gt;&gt; Thanks for doing this, Bert.&lt;br&gt;&gt; ...&lt;br&gt;&gt; I suspect you thought that subsetting the latest 3.0 model would make&lt;br&gt;&gt; it easier to accept for 2.1, but I think this may have been a&lt;br&gt;&gt; mis-calculation. [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:40:26 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=165224">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dave Hollander</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:40:26 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[log in to unmask] wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; A great proportion of the bulk turns out to be due to the fact that&lt;br&gt;&gt; the declaration of %block contains references to other parameter&lt;br&gt;&gt; entities. If we could still get a change to the 2.0 DTD to have&lt;br&gt;&gt; it declare:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;!ENTITY % block.additions &quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That is moving the goalposts. Will you redefine the 2.0 DTD again to&lt;br&gt;make it easier to add the 2.2 or 2.3 additions? You would need to add&lt;br&gt;this sort of construct to each and every declaration. [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:59:07 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=165693">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">lilley</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:59:07 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">43 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Paul Grosso wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; From: Bert Bos &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; To: Multiple recipients of list &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Subject: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; The current consensus seems to be that between HTML 2.0 and 3.0 there&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; ought to be small, incremental steps, so that eventually nothing&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; controversial remains for HTML 3.0.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; So here is my attempt at defining such a small, incremental step. The&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; only thing it does is to allow a TABLE element everywhere that a P is&lt;br&gt; [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Thu, 22 Jun 95 15:05:41 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=166361">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Bert Bos</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 15:05:41 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">109 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Maurizio Codogno wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; While I agree that it is important to have small incremental steps toward&lt;br&gt;&gt; HTML3, i was thinking about if it would be better to leave them as&lt;br&gt;&gt; independent extensions: that is, instead that having&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Tabular material in HTML&lt;br&gt;&gt; (HyperText Markup Language 2.1)&lt;br&gt;&gt; we should have&lt;br&gt;&gt; An Extension to HTML2:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Tabular material [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Thu, 22 Jun 95 23:53:00 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=167067">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Brian Behlendorf</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 23:53:00 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">41 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Brian said [about making additions to HTML 2.0 independent rather than&lt;br&gt;sequential]:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; What we *could* do is give each incremental advance its own temporary&lt;br&gt;&gt; mime type, like text/x-html-tables, text/x-html-maths, etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hmm how many different permulations by HTML 2.8? What about&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;text/x-html3; tables=no; maths=yes; figure=yes; style=yes; applets=no;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then every so often the whole standard gets an overhall and there is a&lt;br&gt;new standard equivalent to the previous one with all add-ons set to yes?&lt;br&gt;(Plus making html.reccomended stricter each time etc). At which point&lt;br&gt;it goes up a major version number, or level, or both, or whatever the&lt;br&gt;number [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Fri, 23 Jun 95 07:34:59 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=167630">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">lilley</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 23 Jun 95 07:34:59 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">47 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('From: lilley &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; said:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Brian said [about making additions to HTML 2.0 independent rather than&lt;br&gt;&gt; sequential]:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; What we *could* do is give each incremental advance its own temporary&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; mime type, like text/x-html-tables, text/x-html-maths, etc.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Hmm how many different permulations by HTML 2.8? What about&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; text/x-html3; tables=no; maths=yes; figure=yes; style=yes; applets=no;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Then every so often the whole standard gets an overhall and there is a&lt;br&gt;&gt; new standard equivalent to the previous one with all add-ons set to yes?&lt;br&gt;&gt; (Plus making html.reccomended stricter each time etc). At [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Fri, 23 Jun 95 08:47:56 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=168478">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dave Kristol</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 23 Jun 95 08:47:56 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">62 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 07:34:49 EDT&lt;br&gt;From: lilley &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hmm how many different permulations by HTML 2.8? What about&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;text/x-html3; tables=no; maths=yes; figure=yes; style=yes; applets=no;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Keep in mind we will require a formal public identifier (and thus&lt;br&gt;a DTD instance) for each of the above permutations (plus permutations&lt;br&gt;of strictness and level).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Glenn','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Fri, 23 Jun 95 09:45:56 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=169303">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 23 Jun 95 09:45:56 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">25 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[Dave Kristol:]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;| The idea of negotiation got discussed at the IETF meeting last March.&lt;br&gt;| People considered it very messy, making it too hard to write Web pages.&lt;br&gt;| For example, if there were eight variants of available features, you&lt;br&gt;| might have to generate 2^8 different flavors of a page.&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| The consensus seemed to be thus:&lt;br&gt;| 1) Work on extensions independently: tables, math, etc.&lt;br&gt;| 2) As extensions get approved, assign the next higher number.&lt;br&gt;| 3) New versions of HTML comprise all the previously approved extensions,&lt;br&gt;| plus the latest one.&lt;br&gt;| 4) At [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Fri, 23 Jun 95 11:56:22 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=169869">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 23 Jun 95 11:56:22 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">86 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dave Kristol writes:&lt;br&gt;From: lilley &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; said:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Brian said [about making additions to HTML 2.0 independent rather than&lt;br&gt;&gt; sequential]:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; What we *could* do is give each incremental advance its own temporary&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; mime type, like text/x-html-tables, text/x-html-maths, etc.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Hmm how many different permulations by HTML 2.8? What about&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; text/x-html3; tables=no; maths=yes; figure=yes; style=yes; applets=no; [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Fri, 23 Jun 95 12:14:45 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=170618">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 23 Jun 95 12:14:45 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 03:05p 06/22/95, Bert Bos wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Compared to HTML 3, I\'ve changed the names of ALIGN and VALIGN to&lt;br&gt;&gt;COLALIGN and ROWALIGN and reduced the value of COLALIGN to a single&lt;br&gt;&gt;letter. This way all three levels TABLE, TR and TH/TD have the same&lt;br&gt;&gt;attributes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why? IMG already uses ALIGN, so why create yet another attribute for&lt;br&gt;horizontal alignment? (See thread &quot;METHODS and TITLE&quot;.) [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Fri, 23 Jun 95 19:02:58 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=171244">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Walter Ian Kaye</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 23 Jun 95 19:02:58 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">42 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Fri, 23 Jun 1995, Walter Ian Kaye wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; At 03:05p 06/22/95, Bert Bos wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;Compared to HTML 3, I\'ve changed the names of ALIGN and VALIGN to&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;COLALIGN and ROWALIGN and reduced the value of COLALIGN to a single&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;letter. This way all three levels TABLE, TR and TH/TD have the same&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;attributes.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Why? IMG already uses ALIGN, so why create yet another attribute for&lt;br&gt;&gt; horizontal alignment? (See thread &quot;METHODS and TITLE&quot;.) [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Mon, 26 Jun 95 07:07:18 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=176625">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Bert Bos</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 26 Jun 95 07:07:18 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">36 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Fri, 23 Jun 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; move to Boston. I think that the relative silence since then has been&lt;br&gt;&gt; out of respect for Dave\'s temporary absence from the list rather than&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, I\'m waiting for Dave to rejoin us. Does anyone have his schedule?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; any fundamental disagreement with the table model. The draft as it&lt;br&gt;&gt; stands represents some very hard work and a lot of consensus-building.&lt;br&gt;&gt; To substitute a different model now would amount to setting this&lt;br&gt;&gt; effort back a year. I am very much opposed to this. [...]','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Mon, 26 Jun 95 16:23:13 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=178557">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 26 Jun 95 16:23:13 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Da&lt;br&gt;vid Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Yes, I\'m waiting for Dave to rejoin us. Does anyone have his schedule?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He\'s been in the office for a week or so, but his email backlog&lt;br&gt;is currently out of control.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suspect within a week or two, you\'ll see him back at full speed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dan','Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)','Tue, 27 Jun 95 09:54:53 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=179285">Re: Attempt at HTML 2.1 (tables)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 09:54:53 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">22 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="11"></a><a href="#11">Broken links on HTML Math page at www.htl.hp.co.uk</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I got a failure report when trying to email [log in to unmask] as&lt;br&gt;indicated on http://www.hpl.hp.co.uk/people/dsr/html/CoverPage.html and,&lt;br&gt;indeed, get no nslookup on wg.oclc.org (though I do get oclc.org). I&lt;br&gt;don\'t know what the cause is, but it might indicate a need to fix&lt;br&gt;something ... on the other hand, the machine I\'m on isn\'t ideally set up&lt;br&gt;for these things, so it may well be the culprit. [...]','Broken links on HTML Math page at www.htl.hp.co.uk','Fri, 16 Jun 95 10:30:31 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=133403">Broken links on HTML Math page at www.htl.hp.co.uk</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Edward Welbourne</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 16 Jun 95 10:30:31 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">46 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="12"></a><a href="#12">Broken links on HTML Math page at www.htl.hp.co.ukI got a failure report when trying to email [log in to unmask] as</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; I got a failure report when trying to email [log in to unmask] as&lt;br&gt;&gt; indicated on http://www.hpl.hp.co.uk/people/dsr/html/CoverPage.html&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The correct address is:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask] (NOT [log in to unmask])','Re: Broken links on HTML Math page at www.htl.hp.co.ukI got a failure report when trying to email [log in to unmask] as','Fri, 16 Jun 95 12:23:41 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=134016">Re: Broken links on HTML Math page at www.htl.hp.co.ukI got a failure report when trying to email [log in to unmask] as</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 16 Jun 95 12:23:41 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">19 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="13"></a><a href="#13">Case Sensitivity</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Tim Pierce wri&lt;br&gt;tes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;When I raised the issue of case sensitivity in tag names and attributes,&lt;br&gt;&gt;you asked me to remind you during the draft\'s final review. Consider&lt;br&gt;&gt;yourself reminded. :-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Er... I\'m afraid I don\'t remember what you\'re talking about. The&lt;br&gt;current draft does address case sensitivity of names:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/html-spec/html-spec_2.html#SEC12&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;|Names&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;|A name consists of a letter followed by up to 71 letters, digits,&lt;br&gt;|periods, or hyphens. Element names are not case sensitive, but&lt;br&gt;|entity names are. For example, `&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;\', `&lt;BlockQuote&gt;\',&lt;br&gt;|and `&lt;blockquote&gt;\' are equivalent, whereas `&amp;amp;\' is different&lt;br&gt;|from `&amp;AMP;\'. [...]','Case Sensitivity','Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:51:29 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=77286">Case Sensitivity</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:51:29 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">61 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&quot;Daniel W. Connolly&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Ah! now I remember. It was about attribute names and attribute values.&lt;br&gt;&gt; How about this:&lt;br&gt;&gt; [...]&lt;br&gt;&gt; A name consists of a letter followed by up to 71 letters, digits,&lt;br&gt;&gt; +periods, or hyphens. Element and attribute names are not case&lt;br&gt;&gt; +sensitive, but entity names are. For example, [...]','Re: Case Sensitivity','Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:48:47 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=83090">Re: Case Sensitivity</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:48:47 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">42 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="14"></a><a href="#14">Comment Declarations</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; |&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; |To include comments in an HTML document, use a comment declaration. A&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; |comment declaration consists of `&lt;!\' followed by zero or more comments&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; |followed by `&gt;\'. Each comment starts with `--\' and includes all text&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; |up to and including the next occurrence of `--\'. In a comment&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; |declaration, white space is allowed after each comment, but not before&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; |the first comment. The entire comment declaration is ignored.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;That\'s the best description I\'ve seen so far.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I would suggest adding a note about where comment [...]','Re: Comment Declarations','Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:09:46 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=8478">Re: Comment Declarations</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:09:46 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Daniel W. Connolly &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;I would suggest adding a note about where comment declarations&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;are legal [...]&lt;br&gt;&gt; [...]&lt;br&gt;&gt; I\'ve never seen users try to stick comments inside tags or anything&lt;br&gt;&gt; like that,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I did once -- and SGMLS complained, so I stopped trying&lt;br&gt;to do that -- which is is why I brought it up. But I&lt;br&gt;agree that it\'s not necessary to put this in the spec.&lt;br&gt;The current text is fine as as it stands IMO. [...]','Re: Comment Declarations','Fri, 2 Jun 95 01:15:51 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=20539">Re: Comment Declarations</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 01:15:51 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">34 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="15"></a><a href="#15">Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Here are some comments and questions on the June 8 draft;&lt;br&gt;there are two issues (search for \'!!!\') which I think&lt;br&gt;are substantive, the rest are only editorial.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\'ve got a bunch of other minor editorial notes, but&lt;br&gt;haven\'t typed them in yet...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[ BTW, Dan -- did you get the plaintext copy I sent you?&lt;br&gt;It\'s not on www.w3.org yet. I put it at&lt;br&gt;&lt;URL:http://www.crl.com/~jenglish/html-spec.txt&gt;&lt;br&gt;in case anyone is looking for a copy. ] [...]','Comments on June 8 draft (long)','Wed, 14 Jun 95 14:40:58 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=98350">Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 14:40:58 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">256 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('As a small followup to an excellent post:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; 6. Hyperlinks&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; [ Comments: The terms &quot;head&quot; and &quot;tail&quot; to describe&lt;br&gt;&gt; linkends was totally unfamiliar -- this is the first&lt;br&gt;&gt; I\'ve heard these terms used in this way. I quickly&lt;br&gt;&gt; got used to the terminology, but mostly because&lt;br&gt;&gt; I already knew what, e.g., &lt;A HREF=&quot;...&quot;&gt; means,&lt;br&gt;&gt; and when it was described as a &quot;tail&quot; that clued&lt;br&gt;&gt; me in to the meaning of the Dexter terminology.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Suggestion: keep the terms &quot;head&quot; and &quot;tail&quot;, but&lt;br&gt;&gt; add a brief description of what [...]','Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)','Wed, 14 Jun 95 16:05:16 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=98975">Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ian Graham</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 16:05:16 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">40 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;[ BTW, Dan -- did you get the plaintext copy I sent you?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes. But I haven\'t submitted it because:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. IETF guidelines say the TOC goes after Status and Abstract,&lt;br&gt;and&lt;br&gt;2. Convention says Terms goes right after Intro, not at&lt;br&gt;the end.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;#1 is up to you. I\'m fixing #2. I\'ll have another .tar.gz in a few&lt;br&gt;minutes incorporating the latest typos and editorial changes. [...]','Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)','Wed, 14 Jun 95 16:30:46 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=99711">Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 16:30:46 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">131 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Daniel W. Connolly wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;2.2.1. Data Characters, p. 8:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;| Note that the terminating semicolon is only necessary when the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;| character following the reference would otherwise be recognized&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;| as markup:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; ^^^^^^&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;Should read &quot;would otherwise be recognized as part of the entity name&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Same difference. I\'ll pass on this one. [...]','Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)','Wed, 14 Jun 95 17:49:19 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=101817">Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 17:49:19 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">41 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Daniel W. Connolly writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; By the way... Roy Fielding suggested getting rid of the METHODS&lt;br&gt;&gt; attribute of the A and LINK element. I\'m game for it. In fact,&lt;br&gt;&gt; I can imagine getting rid of URN and TITLE too. Any thoughts?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please don\'t be reinventing HTML for the 2.0 spec.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While I\'d be interested in reading arguments for&lt;br&gt;ridding ourselves of METHODS and URN, I would&lt;br&gt;certainly oppose losing TITLE. [...]','Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)','Wed, 14 Jun 95 17:59:16 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=102504">Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 17:59:16 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('| &gt;2.2.1. Data Characters, p. 8:&lt;br&gt;| &gt;&lt;br&gt;| &gt;| Note that the terminating semicolon is only necessary when the&lt;br&gt;| &gt;| character following the reference would otherwise be recognized&lt;br&gt;| &gt;| as markup:&lt;br&gt;| &gt; ^^^^^^&lt;br&gt;| &gt;&lt;br&gt;| &gt;Should read &quot;would otherwise be recognized as part of the entity name&quot;.&lt;br&gt;| &gt; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| Same difference. I\'ll pass on this one. [...]','Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)','Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:07:34 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=104040">Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:07:34 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">41 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Daniel W. Connolly &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Yes. But I haven\'t submitted it because:&lt;br&gt;&gt; 1. IETF guidelines say the TOC goes after Status and Abstract,&lt;br&gt;&gt; 2. Convention says Terms goes right after Intro, not at&lt;br&gt;&gt; the end.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; #1 is up to you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I *could* hack the conversion script to put these&lt;br&gt;in the right order, but I was kind of hoping that&lt;br&gt;you\'d do it by moving the &lt;TOC&gt; tag down a few&lt;br&gt;lines in \'html-spec.sgm\' :-) \'twould save me some work... [...]','Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)','Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:19:18 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=108731">Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:19:18 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">105 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; By the way... Roy Fielding suggested getting rid of the METHODS&lt;br&gt;&gt; attribute of the A and LINK element. I\'m game for it. In fact,&lt;br&gt;&gt; I can imagine getting rid of URN and TITLE too. Any thoughts?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well the test is \'current practice\' ... as far as I can tell URN&lt;br&gt;is still being defined. Does any UA support METHODS or TITLE? [...]','Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)','Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:34:41 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=112960">Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:34:41 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;2.2.1. Data Characters, p. 8:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;| Note that the terminating semicolon is only necessary when the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;| character following the reference would otherwise be recognized&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;| as markup:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; ^^^^^^&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;Should read &quot;would otherwise be recognized as part of the entity name&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Same difference. I\'ll pass on this one. [...]','Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)','Thu, 15 Jun 95 09:35:47 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=120088">Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 09:35:47 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">48 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Glenn Adams writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I would suggest either (1) changing your text to read &quot;would otherwise be&lt;br&gt;&gt;recognized as markup as described in ISO 8879, Clause 9.4.5, Reference End.&quot;;&lt;br&gt;&gt;or (2) simply using the text from 8879. The first is preferable in my&lt;br&gt;&gt;opinion since it makes it easier to track changes in 8879 in future versions&lt;br&gt;&gt;of the HTML which are based on revisions to 8879. [...]','Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)','Thu, 15 Jun 95 15:29:52 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=127447">Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 15:29:52 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Glenn Adams writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I concur with Joe and David. The text from 8879, 9.4.5, says:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The refc or RE can be ommitted only if the reference is not followed&lt;br&gt;by a character that could occur in the reference, or by a charracter&lt;br&gt;that could be interpreted as the omitted reference end.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The general problem here is that you are attempting to paraphrase 8879&lt;br&gt;as you do in other places in the text. This is the dangerous in that it&lt;br&gt;may introduce alternate interpretations of the lexical behavior as required&lt;br&gt;to remain SGML conformant. [...]','Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)','Sun, 18 Jun 95 16:12:30 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=140518">Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 18 Jun 95 16:12:30 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">36 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="16"></a><a href="#16">COMPOSITE (was Re: APPLET = FIG)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Brian Behlendorf &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, James C Deikun wrote:&lt;br&gt;[...scripting discussion deleted...]&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;LINK&gt; could serve a&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; similar purpose.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Conceivably, but what would the REL values be, and what&lt;br&gt;&gt; would they mean? Would &lt;LINK REL=&quot;input&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; HREF=&quot;java.app&quot;&gt; mean to take this HTML page as input to&lt;br&gt;&gt; the script? Hmm, this would deal with the&lt;br&gt;&gt; script-controlling-multiple-places issue nicely. [...]','COMPOSITE (was Re: APPLET = FIG)','Mon, 5 Jun 95 20:48:19 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=61471">COMPOSITE (was Re: APPLET = FIG)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Paul Burchard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jun 95 20:48:19 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">77 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Paul Burchard wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Brian Behlendorf &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, James C Deikun wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; [...scripting discussion deleted...]&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;LINK&gt; could serve a&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; similar purpose.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Conceivably, but what would the REL values be, and what&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; would they mean? Would &lt;LINK REL=&quot;input&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; HREF=&quot;java.app&quot;&gt; mean to take this HTML page as input to&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; the script? Hmm, this would deal with the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; script-controlling-multiple-places issue nicely.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; While I like &lt;LINK REL=Script&gt;, it\'s too global [...]','Re: COMPOSITE (was Re: APPLET = FIG)','Tue, 6 Jun 95 04:34:12 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=62478">Re: COMPOSITE (was Re: APPLET = FIG)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Brian Behlendorf</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jun 95 04:34:12 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">56 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Brian Behlendorf &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Paul Burchard wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;While I like &lt;LINK REL=Script&gt;, it\'s too global to be the general&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;solution for scripting. Think about VRML, and it\'ll be especially&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;clear that you want be able to take advantage of the hierarchical&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;document structure and bind the script to a subdocument.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Absolutely... but I think you\'d want to be able to do it&lt;br&gt;&gt; without explicitly marking that element you want to&lt;br&gt;&gt; modify/animate in the text itself, which is why a call for&lt;br&gt;&gt; a new tag doesn\'t [...]','Re: COMPOSITE (was Re: APPLET = FIG)','Wed, 7 Jun 95 05:54:44 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=67488">Re: COMPOSITE (was Re: APPLET = FIG)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Paul Burchard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 05:54:44 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="17"></a><a href="#17">conformance with HTML-2, LINT?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Is there posted anywhere a LINT program to check conformance with HTML-2&lt;br&gt;and related specs? I am just learning the language. When I copy from&lt;br&gt;examples I find on the net, I am picking up bad habits.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;-30-','conformance with HTML-2, LINT?','Mon, 5 Jun 95 21:00:45 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=62114">conformance with HTML-2, LINT?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jun 95 21:00:45 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">17 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="18"></a><a href="#18">content model of HEAD</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('It\'s been pointed out to me that a suggestion for changing HEAD didn\'t&lt;br&gt;get into the draft. The change is backwards compatible.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The current HTML2 specification has:&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ENTITY % head.extra &quot;META* &amp; LINK*&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ENTITY % head.content &quot;TITLE &amp; ISINDEX? &amp; BASE? &amp;&lt;br&gt;(%head.extra)&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ELEMENT HEAD O O (%head.content)&gt;&lt;br&gt;which allows several &lt;meta&gt; elements, all at one location within &lt;head&gt;. [...]','content model of HEAD','Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:56:21 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=106985">content model of HEAD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:56:21 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">46 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[log in to unmask] wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The suggestion is to change this to:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;!ENTITY % head.extra &quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;!ENTITY % head.content &quot;TITLE &amp; ISINDEX? &amp; BASE? %head.extra&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;!ELEMENT HEAD O O (%head.content) +(META|LINK)&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Inclusion exceptions are evil (Ouch! My knee just jerked.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; with an exclusion on the TITLE element of -(META|LINK).&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; This is the model we use for HoTMetaL, since Internet Assistant generates&lt;br&gt;&gt; HTML that parses with our inclusion-based model but not with the model&lt;br&gt;&gt; used in the HTML 2 draft. [...]','Re: content model of HEAD','Wed, 14 Jun 95 21:57:11 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=114128">Re: content model of HEAD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 21:57:11 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">40 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I know this is a last-minute request, but it was a last-minute&lt;br&gt;change, too:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\'d like to see the old HEAD content model back, at least&lt;br&gt;when %HTML.Recommended; is turned on.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Earlier I wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Inclusion exceptions are evil (Ouch! My knee just jerked.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Allow me to elaborate...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The desired specification is that &lt;HEAD&gt;\'s subelements&lt;br&gt;can appear in any order, but some (like TITLE) can only&lt;br&gt;appear once. Unfortunately, SGML doesn\'t provide a&lt;br&gt;convenient way to specify that, so the (previous) content&lt;br&gt;model said that HEAD contains&lt;br&gt;a required TITLE,&lt;br&gt;an optional BASE,&lt;br&gt;a *sequence* of zero or more META [...]','Re: content model of HEAD','Fri, 16 Jun 95 16:03:07 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=135868">Re: content model of HEAD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 16 Jun 95 16:03:07 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">95 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Joe -- the objective of the working group is not (alas) to improve&lt;br&gt;the HTML that is out there; existing HTML documents really *do* have&lt;br&gt;META and TITLE intertwined:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;META ....&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;TITLE&gt;...&lt;/TITLE&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;META .....&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and the DTD was intended to reflect this.&lt;br&gt;It was a bug that the above sequence was illegal according to the DTD;&lt;br&gt;the change I proposed was to fix that bug. [...]','Re: content model of HEAD','Mon, 19 Jun 95 15:28:26 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=141247">Re: content model of HEAD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 19 Jun 95 15:28:26 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">46 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('While I agree with Joe\'s sentiment that like things should stay&lt;br&gt;together, and almost said something at the time, Lee has argued&lt;br&gt;plausibly that the change he requested relaxed an unintentionally&lt;br&gt;over-strict content model to match current practice. It\'s a&lt;br&gt;disgusting result, but that\'s what happens when usage is never&lt;br&gt;constrained. I have to support Lee (and Dan\'s judgement in making&lt;br&gt;the change at the last minute) here. [...]','Re: content model of HEAD','Mon, 19 Jun 95 22:51:37 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=143854">Re: content model of HEAD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 19 Jun 95 22:51:37 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="19"></a><a href="#19">Correct syntax of &lt;LI&gt; tags</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Murray Maloney writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;For what it\'s worth, my reading of the spec and&lt;br&gt;&gt;experience with browsers is that a space following&lt;br&gt;&gt;an &lt;LI&gt; should be presented by the browser.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hmmm... yet more feedback that the spec isn\'t quite clear.&lt;br&gt;I think the spec says it shouldn\'t be presented (see&lt;br&gt;below).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Having said that, I will also say that the HTML spec does&lt;br&gt;&gt;not serve as a specification for browsers, but for the&lt;br&gt;&gt;language. While it does provide numerous suggestions&lt;br&gt;&gt;to browser developers, there is no spec for HTML user agents.&lt;br&gt;&gt;At least not yet. [...]','Re: Correct syntax of &amp;lt;LI&amp;gt; tags','Wed, 21 Jun 95 12:51:10 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=153868">Re: Correct syntax of <LI> tags</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 21 Jun 95 12:51:10 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">84 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Daniel W. Connolly writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Murray Maloney writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;For what it\'s worth, my reading of the spec and&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;experience with browsers is that a space following&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;an &lt;LI&gt; should be presented by the browser.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Hmmm... yet more feedback that the spec isn\'t quite clear.&lt;br&gt;&gt; I think the spec says it shouldn\'t be presented (see below).&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;Having said that, I will also say that the HTML spec does&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;not serve as a specification for browsers, but for the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;language. While it does provide numerous suggestions&lt;br&gt;&gt; [...]','Re: Correct syntax of &amp;lt;LI&amp;gt; tags','Wed, 21 Jun 95 13:31:42 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=154683">Re: Correct syntax of <LI> tags</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 21 Jun 95 13:31:42 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">105 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I can\'t find the beginning of this thread (a jump from email?), but in&lt;br&gt;any case, it saves me the trouble of raising the issue. One action&lt;br&gt;item that came out of last week\'s DSSSL WG meeting in Milpitas was to&lt;br&gt;ask this group to clarify the expected behavior of browsers with&lt;br&gt;regard to white space. We gather from the spec and from the behavior&lt;br&gt;of representative browsers that multiple spaces in regular text are&lt;br&gt;expected to be reduced to single spaces and that spaces at the&lt;br&gt;beginnings of paragraphs and similar &quot;block structuring elements&quot; are&lt;br&gt;to be ignored, but [...]','Re: Correct syntax of &amp;lt;LI&amp;gt; tags','Thu, 22 Jun 95 02:14:25 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=156901">Re: Correct syntax of <LI> tags</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 02:14:25 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[log in to unmask] wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I can\'t find the beginning of this thread (a jump from email?), but in&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it floated in from www-html...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[...]&lt;br&gt;&gt; Speaking only for myself now, I agree with Murray that the user agent&lt;br&gt;&gt; should respect white space between the &lt;LI&gt; tag and subsequent text.&lt;br&gt;&gt; I would go even further and say that I think that it should respect&lt;br&gt;&gt; leading white space in paragraphs. But the important thing is that&lt;br&gt;&gt; the behavior should be clearly specified one way or the other. [...]','Re: Correct syntax of &amp;lt;LI&amp;gt; tags','Thu, 22 Jun 95 02:39:06 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=158365">Re: Correct syntax of <LI> tags</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 02:39:06 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">48 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Murray Maloney wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Murray made the suggestion:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; .....&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Whitespace (spaces and tabs) between tags and data characters&lt;br&gt;&gt; should be discarded and and multiple spaces collapsed&lt;br&gt;&gt; into a single space during this process.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the above were applied, what would happen with things like:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;data &lt;tag&gt; data &lt;tag&gt;....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would this be compressed to data&lt;tag&gt;data...., and completely&lt;br&gt;remove the whitespace separating the text data? [...]','Re: Correct syntax of &amp;lt;LI&amp;gt; tags','Thu, 22 Jun 95 09:24:41 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=159061">Re: Correct syntax of <LI> tags</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ian Graham</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 09:24:41 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Ian Graham writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Murray made the suggestion:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; .....&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; Whitespace (spaces and tabs) between tags and data characters&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; should be discarded and and multiple spaces collapsed&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; into a single space during this process.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;If the above were applied, what would happen with things like:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; data &lt;tag&gt; data &lt;tag&gt;....&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Would this be compressed to data&lt;tag&gt;data...., and completely&lt;br&gt;&gt;remove the whitespace separating the text data? [...]','Re: Correct syntax of &amp;lt;LI&amp;gt; tags','Thu, 22 Jun 95 10:20:31 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=160230">Re: Correct syntax of <LI> tags</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 10:20:31 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">103 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Daniel W. Connolly writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Ian Graham writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;Murray made the suggestion:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; .....&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Whitespace (spaces and tabs) between tags and data characters&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; should be discarded and and multiple spaces collapsed&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; into a single space during this process.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;If the above were applied, what would happen with things like:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; data &lt;tag&gt; data &lt;tag&gt;....&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;Would this be compressed to data&lt;tag&gt;data...., and completely&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;remove the whitespace separating the text data?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; That\'s why the spec says what it says the way it says it:&lt;br&gt;&gt; [...]','Re: Correct syntax of &amp;lt;LI&amp;gt; tags','Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:12:08 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=162272">Re: Correct syntax of <LI> tags</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:12:08 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">107 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 10:20:00 EDT&lt;br&gt;From: &quot;Daniel W. Connolly&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But here\'s the way I\'d like to see it done:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. Take the data characters in the content of a block&lt;br&gt;structuring element (or heading) and its descendants, and break&lt;br&gt;it into words, delmited by spaces.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Many languages do not delimit words by spaces; e.g., Japanese, Chinese,&lt;br&gt;Thai, etc. In fact, the written forms of these languages often make&lt;br&gt;it impossible to determine word boundaries without understand the semantics&lt;br&gt;of the text. [...]','Re: Correct syntax of &amp;lt;LI&amp;gt; tags','Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:36:50 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=164509">Re: Correct syntax of <LI> tags</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:36:50 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="20"></a><a href="#20">Dexterm Model [was: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements (fwd) ]</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Murray Maloney writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Daniel W. Connolly writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; After Tim&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; reviewed the document, we agreed this section should follow the&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; Desxter model.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I should have said &quot;go back to following the Dexter model.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;What is the Desxter model?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It\'s a frequently-cited model for describing hypertext -- pretty much&lt;br&gt;conventional by now. It defines the terms link, anchor, node, ... [...]','Dexterm Model [was: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements (fwd) ]','Fri, 2 Jun 95 10:51:19 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=26927">Dexterm Model [was: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements (fwd) ]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 10:51:19 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">66 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="21"></a><a href="#21">Draft document in PostScript</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I downloaded the HTML Working Group document in PostScript format&lt;br&gt;from a Web site. ietf-html-spec-03.txt&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are no margins on the left, so when I view it in GhostScript,&lt;br&gt;it is difficult to read. When I print it on a laser printer, the&lt;br&gt;left few characters are removed, so it cannot be read.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please redo the document with a left margin. [...]','Draft document in PostScript','Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:46:46 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=64252">Draft document in PostScript</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Hannah Kaufman</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:46:46 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">25 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="22"></a><a href="#22">Fragment IDs case sensitive? [was: Comments on June 8 draft (long) ]</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;6.4. Fragment Identifiers, p. 31, 2nd paragraph:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;[ Re: case-sensitive matching of fragment identifiers ]&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;A HREF=&quot;#foo&quot;&gt; ... &lt;A NAME=foo&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;will *only* work if HTML.Recommended is *off*. I\'ve seen&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;lots of documents that use lowercase anchor names; are they&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;going to have forward-compatibility problems?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; Err... good catch. I\'m changing the DTD -- getting rid of %linkName.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; When SGML IDs are introduced, the name of the attribute will&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; change to ID.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;But what about the case-sensitivity issue?&lt;br&gt;&gt;I\'m presuming that URL fragment [...]','Fragment IDs case sensitive? [was: Comments on June 8 draft (long) ]','Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:56:06 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=125777">Fragment IDs case sensitive? [was: Comments on June 8 draft (long) ]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:56:06 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">49 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="23"></a><a href="#23">FYI: HTML 2.0</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('(I thought I sent this yesterday, but it never showed up that I can see.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Once again, I have submitted the current draft to the IESG for review. I&lt;br&gt;was informed that we &quot;probably&quot; missed the window to have action taken&lt;br&gt;before Stockholm, but they would try.','FYI: HTML 2.0','Wed, 28 Jun 95 08:40:30 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=189572">FYI: HTML 2.0</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 08:40:30 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">23 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="24"></a><a href="#24">How do you include a &lt;INPUT TYPE=&quot;IMAGE&quot;&gt; to work?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I\'m including the HTML working group in the distribution of this message&lt;br&gt;because it\'s starting to appear that an interpretation ruling is needed to&lt;br&gt;resolve this issue.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There\'s been a discussion running for a while on whether &lt;INPUT&gt; elements&lt;br&gt;in HTML forms, notably &lt;INPUT TYPE=IMAGE&gt;, require a NAME attribute.&lt;br&gt;The DTD says that it is #IMPLIED, but the narrative description&lt;br&gt;of form submission does not discuss how to form the correct name&lt;br&gt;for an element in a form data set when no NAME attribute is present in&lt;br&gt;the corresponding INPUT element. [...]','Re: How do you include a &amp;lt;INPUT TYPE=&amp;#34;IMAGE&amp;#34;&amp;gt; to work?','Mon, 5 Jun 95 10:40:37 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=59214">Re: How do you include a <INPUT TYPE="IMAGE"> to work?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jun 95 10:40:37 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">66 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, [log in to unmask] wr&lt;br&gt;ites:&lt;br&gt;&gt;I\'m including the HTML working group in the distribution of this message&lt;br&gt;&gt;because it\'s starting to appear that an interpretation ruling is needed to&lt;br&gt;&gt;resolve this issue.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Remembering the narrative language of an earlier HTML&lt;br&gt;&gt;specification, I posted that:&lt;br&gt;&gt;|&gt; Yes a name IS required -- it\'s optional only for TYPE=RESET and&lt;br&gt;&gt;|&gt; TYPE=SUBMIT. The co-ordinates are transmitted as fieldName.x and&lt;br&gt;&gt;|&gt; fieldName.y, and the behavior you describe is an attempt by Mosaic to&lt;br&gt;&gt;|&gt; handle invalid HTML -- other browsers do other things, most of which&lt;br&gt;&gt;|&gt; are unamusing.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Pero replied:&lt;br&gt; [...]','Re: How do you include a &amp;lt;INPUT TYPE=&amp;#34;IMAGE&amp;#34;&amp;gt; to work?','Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:52:53 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=78226">Re: How do you include a <INPUT TYPE="IMAGE"> to work?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:52:53 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">76 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[log in to unmask] said:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;tli&gt;NAME: symbolic name for the form field corresponding to this&lt;br&gt;&gt; -element or group of elements.&lt;br&gt;&gt; +element or group of elements. The &lt;attr/NAME/ attribute is required&lt;br&gt;&gt; +except in the case of &lt;code/TYPE=SUBMIT/ or &lt;code/TYPE=RESET/.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Looks reasonable. I wouldn\'t have raised this nit except that it&lt;br&gt;obviously confused the NCSA people!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--Kevin&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin KENNY GE Corporate R&amp;D, Niskayuna, New York, USA','Re: How do you include a &amp;lt;INPUT TYPE=&amp;#34;IMAGE&amp;#34;&amp;gt; to work?','Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:55:40 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=79861">Re: How do you include a <INPUT TYPE="IMAGE"> to work?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:55:40 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">25 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="25"></a><a href="#25">HTML 2.0 DTD</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I just searched around for a URL for the DTD itself as a standalone&lt;br&gt;file but didn\'t find it. I have a copy, I just wanted to refer someone&lt;br&gt;to a canonical source rather than to my own ftp server. Dan, can you&lt;br&gt;do a link from your WG pages?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;///Peter','HTML 2.0 DTD','Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:22:40 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=55663">HTML 2.0 DTD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:22:40 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">17 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="26"></a><a href="#26">HTML 2.0 June 15 draft: Bibliography links to sources?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In HTML 2.0 June 15th hypertext version &lt;URL:&lt;br&gt;http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/html-spec/html-spec_toc.html&gt;, the&lt;br&gt;bibliography &lt;URL: html-spec_11.html#SEC103&gt; contains URLs for almost every&lt;br&gt;cited document. Strangely, none of these URLs are themselves hyperlinks to&lt;br&gt;the original sources? Could this be changed in the next hypertext version?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- Mike Kelsey&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;P.S. Since this seems like a simple typography issue, rather than a content&lt;br&gt;change in the spec, I\'m CC\'ing this directly to Dr. Connolly as well.','HTML 2.0 June 15 draft: Bibliography links to sources?','Thu, 29 Jun 95 12:38:52 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=202131">HTML 2.0 June 15 draft: Bibliography links to sources?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">361 Lauritsen, x8379</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jun 95 12:38:52 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">21 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="27"></a><a href="#27">HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: *emph() and acknowledgements</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: *emph() and acknowledgements','Thu, 1 Jun 95 13:18:31 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=53">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: *emph() and acknowledgements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David - Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 13:18:31 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Da&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;A \'processing typo\'?: In many places, I noticed strings like:&lt;br&gt;&gt; [Headings; *emph(H1) ... *emph(H6)]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a bug in one of the tools I\'m using -- it doesn\'t appear&lt;br&gt;to like phrase markup in section titles used in references.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I could probably work around the bug by removing the phrase markup,&lt;br&gt;but I like the way it looks in the table of contents. Sigh... I really&lt;br&gt;don\'t have time to investigate, so I\'m removing the markup. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: *emph() and acknowledgements','Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:25:19 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=9283">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: *emph() and acknowledgements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:25:19 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="28"></a><a href="#28">HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: &lt;TEXTAREA&gt; content</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The HTML 2.0 specification document currently contains only the following&lt;br&gt;statements about the content of the TEXTAREA element:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The content of the TEXTAREA element is the field\'s initial value.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Typically, the ROWS and COLS attributes determine the visible&lt;br&gt;&gt; dimension of the field in characters. The field is typically rendered&lt;br&gt;&gt; in a fixed-width font. HTML user agents should allow text to extend&lt;br&gt;&gt; beyond these limits by scrolling as needed. [...]','HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: &amp;lt;TEXTAREA&amp;gt; content','Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:03:44 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=52626">HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: <TEXTAREA> content</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ka-Ping Yee</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 23:03:44 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">77 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Ka-Ping Yee wrote: (P&gt;)&lt;br&gt;Daniel W. Connolly replied: (D&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;P&gt; http://www.acl.lanl.gov/HTML_WG/html-wg-95q2.messages/1189.html&lt;br&gt;P&gt;&lt;br&gt;P&gt; The suggestion is to clarify the interpretation of &lt;TEXTAREA&gt; block&lt;br&gt;P&gt; content&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;D&gt; Most of your suggestions are redundant -- they\'re specified by the&lt;br&gt;D&gt; SGML spec and the HTML DTD.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Indeed, but *everything* is already specified in the SGML spec and the&lt;br&gt;HTML DTD. If the goal of the HTML spec document is to let implementors&lt;br&gt;and document authors know how HTML behaves, there should at least be&lt;br&gt;some mention of the word &quot;preformatted&quot; in the section for &lt;TEXTAREA&gt;. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: &amp;lt;TEXTAREA&amp;gt; content','Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:00:46 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=122925">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: <TEXTAREA> content</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ka-Ping Yee</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:00:46 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">58 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Ka-Ping Yee &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; D&gt; Most of your suggestions are redundant -- they\'re specified by the&lt;br&gt;&gt; D&gt; SGML spec and the HTML DTD.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Indeed, but *everything* is already specified in the SGML spec and the&lt;br&gt;&gt; HTML DTD.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[ Only if you count the whole spec as part of the DTD,&lt;br&gt;which, technically, it is -- a document type definition&lt;br&gt;has two parts; the first part defines the syntax and is&lt;br&gt;written in a formal notation, and the second part defines&lt;br&gt;the semantics and is usually written in natural language. ] [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: &amp;lt;TEXTAREA&amp;gt; content','Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:41:05 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=125031">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: <TEXTAREA> content</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:41:05 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">45 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="29"></a><a href="#29">HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: DOCTYPEs</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('OK, so I\'m one of those evil people who mailed Dan rather than the list.&lt;br&gt;Sorry. :(&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For context, I\'ve appended Dan\'s reply to me to the end of this message.&lt;br&gt;The problem at issue is getting the list of DOCTYPEs in sect. 4 properly&lt;br&gt;related to the feature test entities in the DTD. (Some outstanding&lt;br&gt;queries are against the left margin, in [].) [...]','HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: DOCTYPEs','Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:57:38 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=16436">HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: DOCTYPEs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Andrew McRae</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:57:38 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">122 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="30"></a><a href="#30">HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dan,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The list of INPUT attributes is still logically misformatted. The&lt;br&gt;entries CHECKBOX...TEXT should be made into a sublist under TYPE,&lt;br&gt;since they are values of the TYPE attribute, not attributes of INPUT&lt;br&gt;themselves.','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:02:57 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=1627">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Paul Burchard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:02:57 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">22 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dan said:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Speak now or forever hold your peace. I made a good faith effort to&lt;br&gt;&gt; incorporate all comments submitted to this point. If you\'ve submitted&lt;br&gt;&gt; comments, check to see if they\'ve been addressed. If not, resubmit&lt;br&gt;&gt; them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Firstly, thanks Dan for the excellent efforts you have made to represent&lt;br&gt;consensus in this spec. I feel that a small item has slipped through, and&lt;br&gt;as requested am bringing it to your attention. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:18:21 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=4576">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">lilley</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:18:21 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">272 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Paul Burchard writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;The list of INPUT attributes is still logically misformatted. The&lt;br&gt;&gt;entries CHECKBOX...TEXT should be made into a sublist under TYPE,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good catch. Done.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dan','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:32:15 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=10640">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:32:15 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">19 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, lilley writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Problem description&lt;br&gt;&gt;-------------------&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Section 5.1 (p25 of the A4 PostScript version) states:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The HTML DTD references the Added Latin 1 entity set, to allow mnemonic&lt;br&gt;&gt; representation of Latin 1 characters using only the widely supported&lt;br&gt;&gt; ASCII character set repertoire.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;However, the DTD references a collection of entities called&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;ISO 8879-1976//ENTITIES Added Latin 1//EN//HTML&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;which only supplies named entities for a subset of the non-ASCII characters&lt;br&gt;&gt;in ISO Latin-1, namely the accented characters. The remaining characters&lt;br&gt;&gt;may only be referred to by including their 8bit code positions or [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:19:05 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=14885">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:19:05 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">64 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Chris Lilley is to be commended for bringing up the matter of&lt;br&gt;characters between 160 and 191. I\'ve spent a couple of hours going&lt;br&gt;over the ISO entity files that I have on hand together with Chris\'s&lt;br&gt;proposal, the current HTML 2.0 draft, and the ISO 8859-1 standard; my&lt;br&gt;conclusions are as follows:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. I agree with Chris\'s option 2, which is that we include an expanded&lt;br&gt;collection of entities and use a new name, to wit, the one proposed by&lt;br&gt;Dave Raggett (as quoted): [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:17:53 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=17566">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:17:53 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">163 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[Dan Connolly:]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;| &gt;[...] selected Latin 1 characters [...]&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| I\'m going with this editorial change, rather than any technical change&lt;br&gt;| at this point, even though folks on www-html seem to think that &amp;copy;&lt;br&gt;| and &amp;reg; are already part of HTML 2.0. Ya\'see, not all the named&lt;br&gt;| entities you suggest are currently supported, and it\'s a slippery&lt;br&gt;| slope where you draw the line. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:35:32 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=18856">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:35:32 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">54 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Jon_Bo&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask] writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;The decision has already been made to support all of Latin-1,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[that is, all the characters in the ISO 8859-1 coded character set]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; and the&lt;br&gt;&gt;decision has already been made to provide canonical entity names.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[I take it you mean the entity sets in the appendixes of the SGML&lt;br&gt;spec] [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:49:07 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=19431">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:49:07 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">57 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('| &gt; there is no logically consistent position on this but to&lt;br&gt;| &gt;standardize entity names for all of the 191 graphic characters in the&lt;br&gt;| &gt;Latin-1 spec. Either that or leave them out.&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| I agree that the HTML 2.0 DTD is inconistent in this respect. It\'s&lt;br&gt;| also inconsistent in that there\'s a URN attribute on A and not on IMG,&lt;br&gt;| and probably in several other ways.&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| But the HTML 2.0 standardization effort is not about fixing HTML, so&lt;br&gt;| much as describing it as is. [...] [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 01:38:23 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=21242">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 01:38:23 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Jon_Bo&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask] writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;|&lt;br&gt;&gt;| But the HTML 2.0 standardization effort is not about fixing HTML, so&lt;br&gt;&gt;| much as describing it as is. [...]&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Are you saying that all of the entity names in the current draft were&lt;br&gt;&gt;supported by all of the HTML browsers available in mid-1994? Or are&lt;br&gt;&gt;you just saying that all of the entity names in the current draft are&lt;br&gt;&gt;supported by all of the HTML browsers available now? [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 01:57:55 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=21917">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 01:57:55 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">48 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[Dan:]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;| (1) at least one of the proposed names, &amp;cent; isn\'t supported by&lt;br&gt;| Netscape 1.0N (just now tested it). I doubt it\'s supported by _any_&lt;br&gt;| browser in existence, perhaps excepting the SGML browsers like&lt;br&gt;| Panorama. Putting this list in the HTML 2.0 spec would require&lt;br&gt;| changes (albeit small ones) in existing user agents.&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| (2) all the entity names in the current html 2.0 DTD are supported by&lt;br&gt;| all the widely deployed browsers. (I used to test this with netscape&lt;br&gt;| and NCSA Mosaic and a few others on a regular basis. I [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 02:19:57 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=22622">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 02:19:57 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">51 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Jon_Bo&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask] writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;You seemed to be suggesting earlier that you were thinking of filling&lt;br&gt;&gt;in the gaps in 2.1. But there really isn\'t going to be any clean,&lt;br&gt;&gt;modular way to do that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hmmm... Mr. Lilley\'s proposal seems to be a counterexample. Add an&lt;br&gt;introduction, some headers and footers, a few transitional paragraphs,&lt;br&gt;and submit it as an internet draft. While you\'re at it, stick in&lt;br&gt;&lt;sup&gt;, &lt;sub&gt;, &lt;div&gt;, &lt;spot&gt;, &lt;span&gt;, ID=, and CLASS=, and you\'ve got&lt;br&gt;an interesting idea for HTML 2.1. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 02:29:35 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=23359">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 02:29:35 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dan writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, lilley writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;Thus, either the text in 5.1 should be altered to read&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;[...] selected Latin 1 characters [...]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I\'m going with this editorial change, rather than any technical change&lt;br&gt;&gt; at this point, even though folks on www-html seem to think that &amp;copy;&lt;br&gt;&gt; and &amp;reg; are already part of HTML 2.0. Ya\'see, not all the named&lt;br&gt;&gt; entities you suggest are currently supported, and it\'s a slippery&lt;br&gt;&gt; slope where you draw the line. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 06:14:52 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=24162">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">lilley</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 06:14:52 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">76 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;Evidence of consensus&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;---------------------&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;On Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:52:16 -0500 Daniel W. Connolly&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;(then [log in to unmask]) said in a thread entitled &quot;Perceived Consensus:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;Murray\'s entity stuff goes in&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;http://www.acl.lanl.gov/HTML_WG/html-wg-94q4.messages/0048.html&gt;:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Agreed: if we need names for characters, and there\'s an ISO entity&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; name for the character, we\'ll use it.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The operative word there is _will_ -- I was speaking about a minor&lt;br&gt;&gt; revision of HTML to address a few things like &amp;copy and &amp;reg and &lt;sup&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; and &lt;sup&gt; that, [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:26:49 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=25394">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:26:49 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">45 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, lilley writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Arguments for option 4)&lt;br&gt;&gt;-----------------------&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Not all existing browsers implement all the extra named entities. But then, no&lt;br&gt;&gt;t&lt;br&gt;&gt;all browsers implement everything anyway. Supporting the extra entities is&lt;br&gt;&gt;little work. Existing browsers support some of the named entities already.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ya\'know, I glossed right over option 4. Darned good idea, now that&lt;br&gt;I look at it. I was pretty sleepy at the time. Sorry. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 17:09:52 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=31160">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 17:09:52 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">124 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&quot;Daniel W. Connolly&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; *** June 2 interim draft ***&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I\'ve integrated a buch of comments into an interim draft. I\'m starting&lt;br&gt;&gt; to work on getting the headers and footers right and junk like that&lt;br&gt;&gt; now. I\'ll have an RFC-editor-happy version in a few days (headers,&lt;br&gt;&gt; footers, and all, right Joe?). [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 18:34:15 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=33649">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 18:34:15 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">52 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hi Joe,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; [...]&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; * subordinated XMP, LISTING under PRE&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Yipes! Could you move them back again?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; CDATA declared content is PURE EVIL, and I\'d like to&lt;br&gt;&gt; see &lt;XMP&gt; and &lt;LISTING&gt; pushed as far away as possible&lt;br&gt;&gt; from the other more respectable block elements.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Calling them &quot;deprecated&quot; is not strong enough for me.&lt;br&gt;&gt; They were &quot;obsolete&quot; as of May 31, and I *strongly urge* that&lt;br&gt;&gt; they stay that way until HTML 2.1, when they should&lt;br&gt;&gt; be eliminated altogether. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:16:25 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=36303">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Arthur van Hoff</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:16:25 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">41 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Joe writes:&lt;br&gt;CDATA declared content is PURE EVIL, and I\'d like to&lt;br&gt;see &lt;XMP&gt; and &lt;LISTING&gt; pushed as far away as possible&lt;br&gt;from the other more respectable block elements.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Calling them &quot;deprecated&quot; is not strong enough for me.&lt;br&gt;They were &quot;obsolete&quot; as of May 31, and I *strongly urge* that&lt;br&gt;they stay that way until HTML 2.1, when they should&lt;br&gt;be eliminated altogether. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements','Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:41:01 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=37025">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:41:01 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="31"></a><a href="#31">HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements (fwd)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Daniel W. Connolly writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Message-Id: &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; To: Murray Maloney &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements&lt;br&gt;&gt; In-reply-to: Your message of &quot;Thu, 01 Jun 1995 14:23:20 EDT.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 22:46:57 -0400&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: &quot;Daniel W. Connolly&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Murray: I wish you\'d copy the list. I\'m almost certainly going&lt;br&gt;&gt; to have to make these explanations to the list eventually. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements (fwd)','Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:57:55 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=26194">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Hyperlinking, Forms, Elements (fwd)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:57:55 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">131 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="32"></a><a href="#32">HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Minor typos</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Here is a list of typos I found (pages refer to the Postscript&lt;br&gt;version):&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;p. 2, tranlation -&gt; translation&lt;br&gt;p. 20, textand -&gt; text and&lt;br&gt;p. 24, must rendered -&gt; must be rendered&lt;br&gt;p. 33, \'http://host/cgi-bin/image?0,0\' -&gt;&lt;br&gt;\'http://host/cgi-bin/imagemap?0,0\'&lt;br&gt;p. 38, vary -&gt; very&lt;br&gt;p. 43, emphais -&gt; emphasis&lt;br&gt;p. 43, substituable -&gt; ? (I never understood &lt;VAR&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And something is missing in the list of DTD declarations on p. 15:&lt;br&gt;&lt;!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC &quot;-//IETF//DTD HTML//EN&quot;&gt;','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Minor typos','Fri, 2 Jun 95 18:18:34 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=32982">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Minor typos</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Jim Hurley</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 18:18:34 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="33"></a><a href="#33">HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Tue, 9 May 1995, Dan Connolly wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; [log in to unmask] writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Yes, that would satisfy me! I want the standard to be clear that it&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; isn\'t acceptable to lose content either explictly or as LarryM&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; illustrated by turning it into a useless character string. With the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; above or even simply leaving &amp;#62123;&amp;#63221;&amp;#61002;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Let\'s get focused here: which parts of the HTML 2.0 spec do you&lt;br&gt;&gt; want changed? What wording would you suggest? [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Thu, 1 Jun 95 13:41:16 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=231">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David - Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 13:41:16 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">42 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dave Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;| On Tue, 9 May 1995, Dan Connolly wrote:&lt;br&gt;| &gt; [log in to unmask] writes:&lt;br&gt;| &gt; &gt; Yes, that would satisfy me! I want the standard to be clear that it&lt;br&gt;| &gt; &gt; isn\'t acceptable to lose content either explictly or as LarryM&lt;br&gt;| &gt; &gt; illustrated by turning it into a useless character string. With the&lt;br&gt;| &gt; &gt; above or even simply leaving &amp;#62123;&amp;#63221;&amp;#61002;&lt;br&gt;| &gt; Let\'s get focused here: which parts of the HTML 2.0 spec do you&lt;br&gt;| &gt; want changed? What wording would you suggest?&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| In reference to 5/51 postscript#2, [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:41:22 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=2614">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:41:22 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">70 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Da&lt;br&gt;vid - Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;In reference to 5/51 postscript#2, page 1333, section 3.2.1, change&lt;br&gt;&gt;the last sentence of the first paragraph to read:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; On the other hand, references to undeclared entities&lt;br&gt;&gt;+ and numeric character references which cannot be resolved&lt;br&gt;&gt;+ (e.g., are out of range)&lt;br&gt;&gt; should be treated as data characters. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:31:44 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=10016">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:31:44 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">32 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, &quot;Terry Allen&quot; writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Dave Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;| On the other hand, references to undeclared entities&lt;br&gt;&gt;| + and numeric character references which cannot be resolved&lt;br&gt;&gt;| + (e.g., are out of range)&lt;br&gt;&gt;| should be treated as data characters.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;And are not what we want to say here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why not?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The language about&lt;br&gt;&gt;numeric charrefs has been carefully crafted. It will be&lt;br&gt;&gt;revised in the next version of HTML that appears after an&lt;br&gt;&gt;internationalization proposal is agreed upon (Gavin, time to&lt;br&gt;&gt;get a move on). [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:55:24 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=12672">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:55:24 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, &quot;Terry Allen&quot; writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Because this section is about entities, not numeric charrefs, which&lt;br&gt;&gt;are dealt with elsewhere (grep for 10646).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Huh? This section ( 3.2.1. Undeclared Markup Error Handling ) is about&lt;br&gt;how to handle screwey markup.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;| &gt; I strongly urge we stay with the&lt;br&gt;&gt;| &gt;present language here, much as I feel your pain.&lt;br&gt;&gt;|&lt;br&gt;&gt;| Personally, I don\'t give a flying flip one way or the other. I\'m&lt;br&gt;&gt;| pretty tired of specifying what HTML user agents should do when the&lt;br&gt;&gt;| modem introduces line noise into the document, your baby brother pukes&lt;br&gt; [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Fri, 2 Jun 95 12:47:08 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=28346">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 12:47:08 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">102 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dan:&lt;br&gt;| In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, &quot;Terry Allen&quot; writes:&lt;br&gt;| &gt;Dave Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;| &gt;| On the other hand, references to undeclared entities&lt;br&gt;| &gt;| + and numeric character references which cannot be resolved&lt;br&gt;| &gt;| + (e.g., are out of range)&lt;br&gt;| &gt;| should be treated as data characters.&lt;br&gt;| &gt;&lt;br&gt;| &gt;And are not what we want to say here.&lt;br&gt;| Why not? [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:18:15 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=29175">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:18:15 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">114 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('| Perhaps this is more clear:&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| |On the other hand, references to undeclared entities and undefined&lt;br&gt;| |numeric character references (i.e. references to code positions that&lt;br&gt;| |are not in the domain of the document character set) should be treated&lt;br&gt;| |as data characters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It\'s clearer, but so far as I can see not in accord with 8879, and&lt;br&gt;doesn\'t say what data characters undefined NCRs should be treated as. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Fri, 2 Jun 95 16:54:19 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=30561">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 16:54:19 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">111 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, &quot;Terry Allen&quot; writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;| &gt;Notice that the NCR is not in the output.&lt;br&gt;&gt;|&lt;br&gt;&gt;| Notice also that there is no &quot;C&quot; at the end of the output; i.e. the&lt;br&gt;&gt;| document is not conforming. Ignoring &amp;#62123; altogether is one way to&lt;br&gt;&gt;| handle the error. The HTML 2.0 specification suggests another.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;which is to ignore ISO 8879 and roll our own. No thanks. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Fri, 2 Jun 95 17:16:22 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=31860">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 17:16:22 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">66 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;Right. But in this whole section on undeclared markup, we\'re talking&lt;br&gt;about things that are NOT CONFORMING HTML DOCUMENTS! These are ERRORS!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And this was a late request for an &quot;enhancement.&quot; It was out of&lt;br&gt;order, and as you now learn, acceding to it has disrupted the consensus&lt;br&gt;that existed on the draft you wanted to get finished so badly. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Fri, 2 Jun 95 18:02:46 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=32461">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 18:02:46 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">47 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;You suggest that I go break sgmls to be bugward compatible with&lt;br&gt;&gt;a request for a new feature, which came up in the course of the&lt;br&gt;&gt;10646 discussion. I say this request is not appropriate for this&lt;br&gt;&gt;version, and that the chance to address the issue in a conformant&lt;br&gt;&gt;manner will arise as soon as the advocates of 10646 get off their&lt;br&gt;&gt;hind ends (or maybe sit down on them some more ...) and produce&lt;br&gt;&gt;an I18n I-D. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Fri, 2 Jun 95 22:07:52 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=40513">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Gavin Nicol</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 22:07:52 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Terry Allen wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Terry quoting Dan:&lt;br&gt;&gt; | Perhaps this is more clear:&lt;br&gt;&gt; |&lt;br&gt;&gt; | |On the other hand, references to undeclared entities and undefined&lt;br&gt;&gt; | |numeric character references (i.e. references to code positions that&lt;br&gt;&gt; | |are not in the domain of the document character set) should be treated&lt;br&gt;&gt; | |as data characters.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; | I\'ll take it out if Mr. Morris will stipulate.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; No. Mr Morris is not speaking for the WG on this point, and you had&lt;br&gt;&gt; consensus (if only by silence, but after [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Fri, 2 Jun 95 22:14:10 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=41101">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David - Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 22:14:10 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">53 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('David - Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Terry Allen wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Terry quoting Dan:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; | Perhaps this is more clear:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; |&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; | |On the other hand, references to undeclared entities and undefined&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; | |numeric character references (i.e. references to code positions that&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; | |are not in the domain of the document character set) should be treated&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; | |as data characters.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; | I\'ll take it out if Mr. Morris will stipulate.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; No. Mr Morris is not speaking for [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Sat, 3 Jun 95 08:23:48 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=41832">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 08:23:48 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">92 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Murray Maloney writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;David - Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Terry Allen wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; Terry quoting Dan:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; | Perhaps this is more clear:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; |&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; | |On the other hand, references to undeclared entities and undefined&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; | |numeric character references (i.e. references to code positions that&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; | |are not in the domain of the document character set) should be treated&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; | |as data characters.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I have to agree with Terry on this. This is a last minute change&lt;br&gt;&gt;and it [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Sat, 3 Jun 95 09:51:33 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=42517">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 09:51:33 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">41 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('There is great advantage in being able to use SGML conformant tools&lt;br&gt;to process HTML. However, our experience to date shows that error&lt;br&gt;handling is invoked to make end runs around the agreed-upon DTD&lt;br&gt;and sdecl (unknown elements, unknown atts, NCRs), all of which&lt;br&gt;impose non-SGML requirements on HTML processing systems, and&lt;br&gt;break tools that are ready to hand. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:43:49 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=44700">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 10:43:49 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;No he hasn\'t. He showed that sgmls treats a non-conforming document&lt;br&gt;&gt;differently than is suggested by the above verbage. That an HTML user&lt;br&gt;&gt;may treat a non-conforming document differently than sgmls does not&lt;br&gt;&gt;mean that the HTML spec is inconsistent with ISO8879.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don\'t think it is non-conforming SGML (the standard is somewhat&lt;br&gt;vague). It is fine to say that HTML documents should be handled in such&lt;br&gt;a manner, but I think it goes against the intent of SGML, which is to&lt;br&gt;produce &quot;correct&quot; documents. The meaning of correct is subjective, but&lt;br&gt;I believe that in general, errors of any [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:05:07 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=45238">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Gavin Nicol</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:05:07 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, &quot;Terry Allen&quot; writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;There is great advantage in being able to use SGML conformant tools&lt;br&gt;&gt;to process HTML.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yea verily!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; However, our experience to date shows that error&lt;br&gt;&gt;handling is invoked to make end runs around the agreed-upon DTD&lt;br&gt;&gt;and sdecl (unknown elements, unknown atts, NCRs), all of which&lt;br&gt;&gt;impose non-SGML requirements on HTML processing systems, and&lt;br&gt;&gt;break tools that are ready to hand. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:23:37 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=46011">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:23:37 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">71 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Gavin Nicol writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;I don\'t think it is non-conforming SGML (the standard is somewhat&lt;br&gt;&gt;vague). I think the best way is not to say anything, other than it is&lt;br&gt;&gt;an error, and leave it to browser implementors to decide upon the&lt;br&gt;&gt;behaviour.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is the argument I\'ve been waiting to hear. (except that the SGML&lt;br&gt;standard is not vague on conformance.) It sounds good to me, but I&lt;br&gt;thought we agreed that it was a good thing if all browsers handled&lt;br&gt;this type of error the same way. The June 2 verbage is motivated by&lt;br&gt;the fact [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:39:01 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=46680">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:39:01 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">32 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dan wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Gavin Nicol writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;I don\'t think it is non-conforming SGML (the standard is somewhat&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;vague). I think the best way is not to say anything, other than it is&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;an error, and leave it to browser implementors to decide upon the&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;behaviour.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;This is the argument I\'ve been waiting to hear. (except that the SGML&lt;br&gt;&gt;standard is not vague on conformance.) It sounds good to me, but I&lt;br&gt;&gt;thought we agreed that it was a good thing if all browsers handled&lt;br&gt;&gt;this type of error the same way. The June 2 verbage is motivated [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Sat, 3 Jun 95 12:00:48 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=48042">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Martin J Duerst</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 12:00:48 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">35 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dan:&lt;br&gt;| In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, &quot;Terry Allen&quot; writes:&lt;br&gt;| &gt;There is great advantage in being able to use SGML conformant tools&lt;br&gt;| &gt;to process HTML.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually, that\'s the real Terry Allen, not &quot;Terry Allen&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;| Yea verily!&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| &gt; However, our experience to date shows that error&lt;br&gt;| &gt;handling is invoked to make end runs around the agreed-upon DTD&lt;br&gt;| &gt;and sdecl (unknown elements, unknown atts, NCRs), all of which&lt;br&gt;| &gt;impose non-SGML requirements on HTML processing systems, and&lt;br&gt;| &gt;break tools that are ready to hand.&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| Sing it, brother. I\'ve heard this tale of woe many [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Sat, 3 Jun 95 12:19:16 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=48839">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 12:19:16 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">139 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, &quot;Terry Allen&quot; writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;A final note: in a later message you say&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;The June 2 verbage is motivated by&lt;br&gt;&gt;the fact that several widely deployed browsers behave that way.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Which ones? both Mosaic and Netscape display &amp;#54321; as &quot;1&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&gt;This is *new feature,* not current practice.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oops. After all this hooey, it turns out to be a simple mistake&lt;br&gt;on my part: I thought I had done some testing (or maybe just&lt;br&gt;read somewhere) that showed current browsers showed &amp;#54321;. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Sat, 3 Jun 95 14:17:11 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=49639">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 14:17:11 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Date: Sat, 3 Jun 95 14:17:01 EDT&lt;br&gt;From: &quot;Daniel W. Connolly&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Which ones? both Mosaic and Netscape display &amp;#54321; as &quot;1&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&gt;This is *new feature,* not current practice.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oops. After all this hooey, it turns out to be a simple mistake&lt;br&gt;on my part: I thought I had done some testing (or maybe just&lt;br&gt;read somewhere) that showed current browsers showed &amp;#54321;. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Sat, 3 Jun 95 14:59:40 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=50376">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 14:59:40 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">62 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;This is the argument I\'ve been waiting to hear. (except that the SGML&lt;br&gt;&gt;standard is not vague on conformance.) It sounds good to me, but I&lt;br&gt;&gt;thought we agreed that it was a good thing if all browsers handled&lt;br&gt;&gt;this type of error the same way. The June 2 verbage is motivated by&lt;br&gt;&gt;the fact that several widely deployed browsers behave that way. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:35:45 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=52112">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Gavin Nicol</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 21:35:45 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; I think we agreed that browsers should all handle this the same way&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\'m not so sure about that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How recommending that browsers display the reference as is, but not&lt;br&gt;requiring that behavior? That gives people something at least rational&lt;br&gt;to do with them, but leaves the door open for sgmls behavior and&lt;br&gt;really fancy implementations as well. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:25:39 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=53294">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mike Meyer</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 4 Jun 95 00:25:39 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">23 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;Hmm... I guess I saw it differently. I\'m sorry to drag this out, but&lt;br&gt;&gt;Eric: could you give the chair\'s position on this, so we can move on?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. I agree that constructs like &amp;N; where N&gt;255, are errors.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. I do not believe that the RFC needs a full specification of how a user&lt;br&gt;agent should handle bad HTML, though having one would certainly have saved&lt;br&gt;me personally a lot of time. ;-) [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs','Mon, 5 Jun 95 09:23:52 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=57523">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jun 95 09:23:52 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="34"></a><a href="#34">HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs (fwd)Precedence: bulk</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Terry Allen:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Dan:&lt;br&gt;&gt;| In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, &quot;Terry Allen&quot; writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;| &gt;Dave Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;| &gt;| On the other hand, references to undeclared entities&lt;br&gt;&gt;| &gt;| + and numeric character references which cannot be resolved&lt;br&gt;&gt;| &gt;| + (e.g., are out of range)&lt;br&gt;&gt;| &gt;| should be treated as data characters.&lt;br&gt;&gt;| &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;| &gt;And are not what we want to say here.&lt;br&gt;&gt;| Why not?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Because this section is about entities, not numeric charrefs, which&lt;br&gt;&gt;are dealt with elsewhere (grep for 10646).&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;| &gt; The language about&lt;br&gt;&gt;| &gt;numeric charrefs has been carefully crafted. It will be&lt;br&gt; [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs (fwd)Precedence: bulk','Fri, 2 Jun 95 15:56:19 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=29724">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Numeric character refs (fwd)Precedence: bulk</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Martin J Duerst</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 15:56:19 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">80 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="35"></a><a href="#35">HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Security words</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Comments re. 5/31 .ps#2&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Page 14, section 3.3 Security considerations. In addition to the&lt;br&gt;internet hacker goblin, there are two points of exposure in common&lt;br&gt;practice where password input (and hidden field data) may be&lt;br&gt;inadvertantly revealed:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. The http server log file which logs the GET request&lt;br&gt;2. The URL display field(s) provided my many user agents [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Security words','Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:04:47 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=2062">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Security words</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David - Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:04:47 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">42 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Da&lt;br&gt;vid - Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;1. The http server log file which logs the GET request&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Clearly an HTTP security consideration, not HTML.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;2. The URL display field(s) provided my many user agents&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since when are URLs so sensitive that the user should\'t know the&lt;br&gt;address of the document s/he\'s looking at?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Information providers should also be aware that some current user&lt;br&gt;&gt; agents ignore the METHOD=POST specification and hence subject&lt;br&gt;&gt; all sensitive information to the above risk. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Security words','Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:35:35 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=11892">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Security words</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:35:35 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; &gt; In message&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;,&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; David - Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 2. The URL display field(s) provided my many user agents&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Since when are URLs so sensitive that the user should\'t&lt;br&gt;&gt; know the address of the document s/he\'s looking at?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One way that information about URLs can become a security&lt;br&gt;consideration is if, in following a link from a secure document X on&lt;br&gt;one server, to some document Y on another server, the user agent&lt;br&gt;tells Y\'s server that the &quot;Referer&quot; was X. This reveals information&lt;br&gt;about the supposedly secure document X [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Security words','Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:58:46 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=13456">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Security words</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Paul Burchard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:58:46 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Daniel W. Connolly wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Da&lt;br&gt;&gt; vid - Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;1. The http server log file which logs the GET request&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Clearly an HTTP security consideration, not HTML.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;None of the security considerations are HTML, but rather the&lt;br&gt;consequences of certain HTML usage within the environment.&lt;br&gt;I discovered this issue at a client with a very competant security&lt;br&gt;guru who hadn\'t noticed. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Security words','Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:00:39 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=34871">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: Security words</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David - Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:00:39 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">55 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="36"></a><a href="#36">HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Since complaining about inconsistent usage or URI and URL in earlier&lt;br&gt;versions of the draft, Dan has cleaned things up (thats good) and&lt;br&gt;I have read the URI and URL RFCs (thata bad?).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I missed something, cool, but as I understand the RFCs,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A URL is one kind of scheme of a URI. Hence, [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL','Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:53:29 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=7334">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David - Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:53:29 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">45 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Da&lt;br&gt;vid - Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Since complaining about inconsistent usage or URI and URL in earlier&lt;br&gt;&gt;versions of the draft, Dan has cleaned things up (thats good) and&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Section 7, &quot;Hyperlinking&quot; needs more work. I kinda made up my own&lt;br&gt;definition of &quot;anchor&quot; and I need to go back to using the old&lt;br&gt;Dexter model definition. I was dazed and confused. Sorry. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL','Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:34:09 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=18229">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:34:09 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">91 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; The term URI includes the notions of relative addresses and fragment&lt;br&gt;&gt; identifiers, whereas the URL spec doesn\'t include these. I should read&lt;br&gt;&gt; Roy Fielding\'s [RELURL] draft again to see if it covers these&lt;br&gt;&gt; sufficiently. Is it an RFC yet? Can I cite it normatively, if it turns&lt;br&gt;&gt; out to fit the bill? [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL','Fri, 2 Jun 95 01:15:00 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=20047">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Larry Masinter</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 01:15:00 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Daniel W. Connolly wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Da&lt;br&gt;&gt; vid - Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;Since complaining about inconsistent usage or URI and URL in earlier&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;versions of the draft, Dan has cleaned things up (thats good) and&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Section 7, &quot;Hyperlinking&quot; needs more work. I kinda made up my own&lt;br&gt;&gt; definition of &quot;anchor&quot; and I need to go back to using the old&lt;br&gt;&gt; Dexter model definition. I was dazed and confused. Sorry.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;I have read the URI and URL RFCs (thata bad?).&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Note that [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL','Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:47:37 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=37597">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David - Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:47:37 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">63 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; I missed the info vs. std distinction ... sorry ... but our standard&lt;br&gt;&gt; will use a term which is defined in an informational RFC and while&lt;br&gt;&gt; I acknowledge that this can be made right by defining URI in the HTML&lt;br&gt;&gt; std, this will be confusing if you can\'t match RFC 1630 and yet&lt;br&gt;&gt; include it as an information reference. I don\'t yet understand&lt;br&gt;&gt; how the words and BNF on page 24 RFC 1630 can be interpreted to&lt;br&gt;&gt; not mean that the URI would include url: as a prefix as my&lt;br&gt;&gt; original post [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL','Fri, 2 Jun 95 22:07:36 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=39838">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Albert Lunde</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 22:07:36 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">71 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; The URI working group is going to keep redefining things.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not if I can help it. I suggest that the HTML 2.0 standards-track&lt;br&gt;document not attempt to make forward reference to URNs when there is&lt;br&gt;no standards-track or even widespread current practice for such.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since standards-track HTML 2.0 is to be rooted in `current practice\',&lt;br&gt;it should make reference to the standards-track RFC 1738, and say that&lt;br&gt;in HTML, a reference can be either a URL or a relative URL followed&lt;br&gt;optionally by an anchor; the interpretation of the anchor is only&lt;br&gt;defined if the URL (or partial URL) [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL','Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:10:20 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=54884">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Larry Masinter</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:10:20 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I said:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;| in HTML, a reference can be either a URL or a relative URL followed&lt;br&gt;| optionally by an anchor; the interpretation of the anchor is only&lt;br&gt;| defined if the URL (or partial URL) refers to a HTML 2.0 document, and&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and Terry Allen asked:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Did you mean &quot;fragment identifier&quot;? a URL may point to anything,&lt;br&gt;&gt; not just an HTML 2.0 doc. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL','Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:34:04 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=60364">Re: HTML 2.0 LAST CALL: URI vs URL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Larry Masinter</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:34:04 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">25 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="37"></a><a href="#37">HTML 2.0 Tidbits</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Bruce Kahn/Iris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I would propose the first paragraph be changed to something like:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;The content of a DL element is a sequence of DT elements and/or DD elements.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;OK. How about:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;|&lt;p&gt;The content of a DL element is a sequence of DT elements and/or DD&lt;br&gt;|elements, usually in pairs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;The content of a DL element is a sequence of DT elements and/or DD&lt;br&gt;elements, usually in pairs. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 Tidbits','Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:53:59 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=15803">Re: HTML 2.0 Tidbits</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:53:59 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">173 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dan wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; How about this:&lt;br&gt;&gt; in the description of the IMG element:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; |&lt;p&gt;HTML user agents may process the value of the &lt;attr/ALT/ attribute&lt;br&gt;&gt; |as an alternative to processing the image resource indicated by the&lt;br&gt;&gt; |&lt;attr/SRC/ attribute.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes. I was unhappy about the wording of the ALT description, but Dan\'s new&lt;br&gt;wording is much better. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 Tidbits','Fri, 2 Jun 95 06:45:20 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=24875">Re: HTML 2.0 Tidbits</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">lilley</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 06:45:20 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">85 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On 6/1/95 Dan Connoly wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;p&gt;The content of a DL element is a sequence of DT elements and/or DD&lt;br&gt;&gt;elements, usually in pairs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sounds good.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;in the description of the IMG element:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;|&lt;p&gt;HTML user agents may process the value of the &lt;attr/ALT/ attribute&lt;br&gt;&gt;|as an alternative to processing the image resource indicated by the&lt;br&gt;&gt;|&lt;attr/SRC/ attribute.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;and in the attribute list:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;tli&gt;ALT: text to use in place of the referenced image resource, for&lt;br&gt;&gt;example due to processing constraints or user preference. [...]','Re: HTML 2.0 Tidbits','Fri, 2 Jun 95 12:03:44 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=27613">Re: HTML 2.0 Tidbits</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Bruce Kahn/Iris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 12:03:44 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">96 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="38"></a><a href="#38">html.dtd broken?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hold the phone!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If draft 4 of the HTML 2.0 spec hasn\'t gone out, I\'d like to make&lt;br&gt;a one-liner fix before it does.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, &quot;Markus Ku&lt;br&gt;hn (CIP 90)&quot; writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Hello!&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I just tried to use your HTML DTD version&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; $Id: html.dtd,v 1.27 1995/06/15 20:17:03 connolly Exp $&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;with James Clark\'s nsgml parser (part of his SP 0.4 package on ftp.ifi.uio.no&lt;br&gt;&gt;in pub/SGML/SP) and got the following bug report:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;html.dtd:186:15:E: parameter entity `linkType\' not defined&lt;br&gt;&gt;html.dtd:187:14:E: parameter entity `linkType\' not defined&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Any idea? [...]','Re: html.dtd broken?','Fri, 16 Jun 95 15:02:09 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=136686">Re: html.dtd broken?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 16 Jun 95 15:02:09 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">45 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Fri, 16 Jun 95 15:01:49 EDT,&lt;br&gt;Daniel W. Connolly &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Hold the phone!&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; If draft 4 of the HTML 2.0 spec hasn\'t gone out, I\'d like to make&lt;br&gt;&gt; a one-liner fix before it does.&lt;br&gt;&gt; ..&lt;br&gt;&gt; FUDGE! Time to re-spin the draft. Joe: please grab&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/MarkUp.html/html-spec/html-spec-199506&lt;br&gt;&gt; 16.tar.gz&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry for the delay, but I just now (Monday June 19 15:30 PST)&lt;br&gt;received this message... I\'ll send it to Dan and Jon and upload it&lt;br&gt;to the usual places presently... [...]','Re: html.dtd broken?','Mon, 19 Jun 95 18:34:00 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=143131">Re: html.dtd broken?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 19 Jun 95 18:34:00 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">34 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="39"></a><a href="#39">http server which returns &quot;charset:&quot; correctly</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('My request below is related to this list as I am working towards&lt;br&gt;having something workable for the i18n document. But please&lt;br&gt;reply privately to not bother the list more than necessary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am looking for a server, implementation or installation,&lt;br&gt;however experimental it might be, that is capable of correctly&lt;br&gt;returning the &quot;charset:&quot; parameter field in the MIME Content-Type&lt;br&gt;line as specified in the HTTP protocol specifications. [...]','http server which returns &amp;#34;charset:&amp;#34; correctly','Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:50:08 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=71312">http server which returns "charset:" correctly</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Martin J Duerst</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:50:08 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Martin J Duerst writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;I am looking for a server, implementation or installation,&lt;br&gt;&gt;however experimental it might be, that is capable of correctly&lt;br&gt;&gt;returning the &quot;charset:&quot; parameter field in the MIME Content-Type&lt;br&gt;&gt;line as specified in the HTTP protocol specifications.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Try the Apache server. Start at http://www.apache.org/ .&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The documentation suggests it would support this feature: [...]','Re: http server which returns &amp;#34;charset:&amp;#34; correctly','Wed, 7 Jun 95 12:41:59 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=71945">Re: http server which returns "charset:" correctly</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 12:41:59 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">41 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;Date: Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:48:21 EDT&lt;br&gt;&gt;From: Martin J Duerst &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I am looking for a server, implementation or installation,&lt;br&gt;&gt;however experimental it might be, that is capable of correctly&lt;br&gt;&gt;returning the &quot;charset:&quot; parameter field in the MIME Content-Type&lt;br&gt;&gt;line as specified in the HTTP protocol specifications.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have such a beast running (unfinished prototype), but for&lt;br&gt;&quot;practical&quot; reasons cannot open it up to the public at large. Those&lt;br&gt;interested may contact me privately.','Re: http server which returns &amp;#34;charset:&amp;#34; correctly','Wed, 7 Jun 95 12:58:37 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=73197">Re: http server which returns "charset:" correctly</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Francois Yergeau</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 12:58:37 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Netsite 1.1 supports this feature.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You can configure any file or directory with a MIME charset that will be&lt;br&gt;included in the Content-Type HTTP header. Configuring a directory applies&lt;br&gt;recursively to its contents.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With the server administration software, this is really easy to set-up. In&lt;br&gt;the first page of the configuration &quot;menu&quot;, the last link is the one you&lt;br&gt;need to click. From there, it\'s fairly intuitive. [...]','Re: http server which returns &amp;#34;charset:&amp;#34; correctly','Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:33:32 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=73894">Re: http server which returns "charset:" correctly</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Bob Jung</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 13:33:32 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">75 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="40"></a><a href="#40">Hyperlink Terminology Re: Comments on June 8 draft</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; Dan Connolly wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The HTML 2.0 spec cites the DEXTER reference model. That\'s what&lt;br&gt;&gt; TimBL\'s hypertext research was based on, and what most modern&lt;br&gt;&gt; hypertext literature is based on. Now I admit that I haven\'t actually&lt;br&gt;&gt; read the seminal DEXTER paper, but I have read related papers, and&lt;br&gt;&gt; they\'re pretty consistent:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; * a link is a pair of anchors (or a set of anchors)&lt;br&gt;&gt; (kinda like an edge in a graph)&lt;br&gt;&gt; * a anchor is an endpoint of a link&lt;br&gt;&gt; (kinda like a vertex in a graph) [...]','Hyperlink Terminology Re: Comments on June 8 draft','Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:25:57 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=105165">Hyperlink Terminology Re: Comments on June 8 draft</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ralph Ferris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:25:57 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">63 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Ralph quotes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;NOTE 10 An object is an anchor if and only if a hyperlink identifies&lt;br&gt;it as such.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ralph, I\'ve never been quite sure from this whether HTML\'s&lt;br&gt;&lt;a name=&quot;foo&quot;&gt; or Docbook\'s &lt;PARA ID=&quot;A12345&quot;&gt;, which only&lt;br&gt;indentify spots that *can* be pointed at, are proper Hytime&lt;br&gt;anchors. Does a Hytime anchor actually have to be pointed at&lt;br&gt;by something else (or itself)? [...]','Re: Hyperlink Terminology Re: Comments on June 8 draft','Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:07:06 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=108165">Re: Hyperlink Terminology Re: Comments on June 8 draft</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:07:06 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">32 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Terry writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Ralph, I\'ve never been quite sure from this whether HTML\'s&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;a name=&quot;foo&quot;&gt; or Docbook\'s &lt;PARA ID=&quot;A12345&quot;&gt;, which only&lt;br&gt;&gt; indentify spots that *can* be pointed at, are proper Hytime&lt;br&gt;&gt; anchors. Does a Hytime anchor actually have to be pointed at&lt;br&gt;&gt; by something else (or itself)?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, HyTime uses the term &quot;anchor&quot; exclusively in this sense.&lt;br&gt;Keep in mind that in HyTime you can point at *anything* using&lt;br&gt;an appropriate location ladder, so potentailly *anything* is an&lt;br&gt;anchor. Determining what really is an anchor (in the HyTime sense)&lt;br&gt;is one of the functions you expect [...]','Re: Hyperlink Terminology Re: Comments on June 8 draft','Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:20:21 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=111408">Re: Hyperlink Terminology Re: Comments on June 8 draft</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ralph Ferris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:20:21 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">42 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="41"></a><a href="#41">Hyperlink Terminology Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Ian Graham writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;As a small followup to an excellent post:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; 6. Hyperlinks&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; [ Comments: The terms &quot;head&quot; and &quot;tail&quot; to describe&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; linkends was totally unfamiliar -- this is the first&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; I\'ve heard these terms used in this way. I quickly&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; got used to the terminology, but mostly because&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; I already knew what, e.g., &lt;A HREF=&quot;...&quot;&gt; means,&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; and when it was described as a &quot;tail&quot; that clued&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; me in to the meaning of the Dexter terminology.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; Suggestion: keep the terms &quot;head&quot; and &quot;tail&quot;, [...]','Hyperlink Terminology Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)','Wed, 14 Jun 95 16:38:21 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=100362">Hyperlink Terminology Re: Comments on June 8 draft (long)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 16:38:21 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">57 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="42"></a><a href="#42">I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-html-spec-03.txt</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('--NextPart&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A Revised Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts&lt;br&gt;directories. This draft is a work item of the HyperText Markup Language&lt;br&gt;Working Group of the IETF.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Note: This revision reflects comments received during the last call period.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Title : Hypertext Markup Language - 2.0&lt;br&gt;Author(s) : T. Berners-Lee, D. Connolly&lt;br&gt;Filename : draft-ietf-html-spec-03.txt&lt;br&gt;Pages : 54&lt;br&gt;Date : 05/31/1995 [...]','I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-html-spec-03.txt','Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:09:28 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=5204">I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-html-spec-03.txt</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:09:28 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">116 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="43"></a><a href="#43">I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-html-spec-04.txt</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('--NextPart&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A Revised Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts&lt;br&gt;directories. This draft is a work item of the HyperText Markup Language&lt;br&gt;Working Group of the IETF.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Note: This revision reflects comments received during the last call period.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Title : Hypertext Markup Language - 2.0&lt;br&gt;Author(s) : T. Berners-Lee, D. Connolly&lt;br&gt;Filename : draft-ietf-html-spec-04.txt&lt;br&gt;Pages : 71&lt;br&gt;Date : 06/20/1995 [...]','I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-html-spec-04.txt','Wed, 21 Jun 95 16:21:24 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=155447">I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-html-spec-04.txt</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 21 Jun 95 16:21:24 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">116 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="44"></a><a href="#44">Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The June 8th draft says:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A form is a template for a form data set -- sequence of&lt;br&gt;name/value pair fields -- with an associated method and&lt;br&gt;action URI. The names are specified on the NAME attributes&lt;br&gt;of form input elements, and the values are given by the&lt;br&gt;user. The resulting form data set is used to access an&lt;br&gt;information service as a function of the action and method. [...]','Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:20:31 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=109468">Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mike Meyer</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:20:31 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">51 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[log in to unmask] (Mike Meyer) wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The June 8th draft says:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;!ATTLIST INPUT&lt;br&gt;&gt; TYPE %InputType TEXT&lt;br&gt;&gt; NAME CDATA #IMPLIED&lt;br&gt;&gt; I.e. - the NAME attribute isn\'t required, but the application should&lt;br&gt;&gt; be able to generate one if it\'s missing.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Is the DTD wrong - should NAME be required?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It\'s not required for TYPE=SUBMIT or TYPE=RESET,&lt;br&gt;but it is for all other TYPEs. This an application&lt;br&gt;convention (see 7.1.2, under &quot;NAME&quot;) that can\'t&lt;br&gt;be enforced by SGML. [...]','Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:00:42 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=110724">Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:00:42 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; &gt; Is the DTD wrong - should NAME be required?&lt;br&gt;&gt; It\'s not required for TYPE=SUBMIT or TYPE=RESET,&lt;br&gt;&gt; but it is for all other TYPEs. This an application&lt;br&gt;&gt; convention (see 7.1.2, under &quot;NAME&quot;) that can\'t&lt;br&gt;&gt; be enforced by SGML.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fair enough - so we\'re at the second case.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The RFC needs to give some indication of what an application should do&lt;br&gt;with a naked &lt;INPUT&gt;, as the DTD says such are legal. Even if it\'s&lt;br&gt;merely to note that this isn\'t really legal. [...]','Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:48:08 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=113466">Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mike Meyer</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:48:08 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Joe English wrote&lt;br&gt;&gt; It\'s not required for TYPE=3DSUBMIT or TYPE=3DRESET,&lt;br&gt;&gt; but it is for all other TYPEs. This an application&lt;br&gt;&gt; convention (see 7.1.2, under &quot;NAME&quot;) that can\'t&lt;br&gt;&gt; be enforced by SGML.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; [log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is there any or will there be any possibility to rename&lt;br&gt;these buttons; &quot;SUBMIT&quot; and &quot;RESET&quot; into one=B4s&lt;br&gt;own language?&lt;br&gt;Haven=B4t been able to find anything about this neither&lt;br&gt;in HTML 2.0 nor in the development of ver. 3.0. [...]','Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 04:02:45 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=117988">Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thomas BjurbSigmack</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 04:02:45 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[My last mail went back to mike instead of the list, as I forgot to edit the&lt;br&gt;header by hand...treat this as a last-ditch plea for the list to be set up&lt;br&gt;properly...pretty please?]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Is the DTD wrong - should NAME be required?&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; It\'s not required for TYPE=SUBMIT or TYPE=RESET,&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; but it is for all other TYPEs. This an application&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; convention (see 7.1.2, under &quot;NAME&quot;) that can\'t&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; be enforced by SGML.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Fair enough - so we\'re at the second case.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The RFC needs to give [...]','Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 04:56:20 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=119389">Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 04:56:20 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">32 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Peter asked me to forward this to the working group, as he forgot to&lt;br&gt;edit the headers to send it there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;mike&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: Peter Flynn &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?&lt;br&gt;&gt; To: [log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Mike Meyer writes [INPUT]:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; I.e. - the NAME attribute isn\'t required, but the application should&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; be able to generate one if it\'s missing.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; The discussion of form submission (7.2) points out that you can leave&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; out NULL values, and in fact requires that in some cases (7.2.1, point 2).&lt;br&gt; [...]','Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 13:16:03 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=122157">Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mike Meyer</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 13:16:03 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">47 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; From: Peter Flynn &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Can we make NAME #REQUIRED, and add a note to say that it should be set to&lt;br&gt;&gt; the same as TYPE in the case of SUBMIT and RESET.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Isn\'t there actually an optional NAME attribute on&lt;br&gt;&lt;SUBMIT&gt;, or is that an HTML-3 feature? I get confused...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SUBMIT and RESET should have been separate entities, but it\'s too&lt;br&gt;late now. [...]','Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:22:31 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=124474">Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:22:31 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">25 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Mike Meyer writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I.e. - the NAME attribute isn\'t required, but the application should&lt;br&gt;&gt;be able to generate one if it\'s missing.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;The discussion of form submission (7.2) points out that you can leave&lt;br&gt;&gt;out NULL values, and in fact requires that in some cases (7.2.1, point 2).&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Is the DTD wrong - should NAME be required? If it\'s not wrong, then&lt;br&gt;&gt;the RFC should say something about what the implied value should be. I&lt;br&gt;&gt;have no idea what happens in current browsers if you leave out the&lt;br&gt;&gt;name field. [...]','Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 15:02:12 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=126667">Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 15:02:12 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">38 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Peter Flynn wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; What I said was that NAME should be #REQUIRED, so that users with proper&lt;br&gt;&gt; editors get prompted for a name, even at the expense of putting &quot;submit&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; or &quot;reset&quot; as the value for NAME as well as TYPE...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No! NO! NO! ... If the NAME aattribute is specified, then the name&lt;br&gt;value pair must be sent to the server as part of the request when&lt;br&gt;a SUBMIT button is clicked and for reset, a name has NO semantic&lt;br&gt;meaning. THis could cause currently conforming and working&lt;br&gt;applications to [...]','Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 15:53:31 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=128752">Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 15:53:31 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">27 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Thomas BjurbSigmack wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Is there any or will there be any possibility to rename&lt;br&gt;&gt; these buttons; &quot;SUBMIT&quot; and &quot;RESET&quot; into one=B4s&lt;br&gt;&gt; own language?&lt;br&gt;&gt; Haven=B4t been able to find anything about this neither&lt;br&gt;&gt; in HTML 2.0 nor in the development of ver. 3.0.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not quite sure what your are asking for, but the visual label&lt;br&gt;displayed for these buttons may be set using the value= attribute. [...]','Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 15:57:40 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=129484">Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 15:57:40 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; What I said was that NAME should be #REQUIRED, so that users with proper&lt;br&gt;&gt; editors get prompted for a name, even at the expense of putting &quot;submit&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; or &quot;reset&quot; as the value for NAME as well as TYPE...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No! NO! NO! ... If the NAME aattribute is specified, then the name&lt;br&gt;value pair must be sent to the server as part of the request when&lt;br&gt;a SUBMIT button is clicked and for reset, a name has NO semantic&lt;br&gt;meaning. THis could cause currently conforming and working&lt;br&gt;applications to suffer grief. [...]','Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?','Sun, 18 Jun 95 21:30:31 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=142440">Re: Implied NAME attribute for INPUT tag?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 18 Jun 95 21:30:31 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">34 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="45"></a><a href="#45">INCLUDE (was: Re: META)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Glenn Adams writes:&lt;br&gt;| Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:18:45 EDT&lt;br&gt;| From: Bert Bos &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| Seems like a good idea, but maybe an include mechanism (say something&lt;br&gt;| like &lt;INCLUDE SRC=&quot;URL&quot;&gt;) is an even more general solution. It could&lt;br&gt;| be used for other things besides META data.&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;|There\'s already a perfectly good HTML 2.0 conformant way to accomplish&lt;br&gt;|inclusions or referencing of arbitrary external data without having to&lt;br&gt;|create an INCLUDE element type. It just requires smarter user agents:&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;|&lt;!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC &quot;-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN&quot; [&lt;br&gt;|&lt;!NOTATION MyNotation PUBLIC &quot;-//MyOrg//NOTATION MyNotation//EN&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;|&lt;!ENTITY MyRandomData SYSTEM [...]','INCLUDE (was: Re: META)','Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:22:09 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=198535">INCLUDE (was: Re: META)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Bert Bos</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:22:09 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">71 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('From: Bert Bos &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:19:04 +0200 (METDST)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We use URLs instead of HyTime, we will probably define our own style&lt;br&gt;sheets instead of DSSSL, so why shouldn\'t we define out own inclusion&lt;br&gt;mechanism outside of SGML, if we feel SGML is inadequate?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which is inadequate: SGML or UAs that don\'t grok a prolog? I would&lt;br&gt;say the latter. Why invent another mechanism for external reference&lt;br&gt;when a suiable one exists and when in either case most current UAs&lt;br&gt;would have to be modified? Furthermore, why propose a mechanism that&lt;br&gt;requires changes to HTML when one [...]','Re: INCLUDE (was: Re: META)','Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:45:09 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=199373">Re: INCLUDE (was: Re: META)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:45:09 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">37 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="46"></a><a href="#46">InsignificantTypo man's crazy idea</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In response to my Insignificant Typo comments you said: &quot;All you have to do&lt;br&gt;to join is to copy [log in to unmask] on your feedback. There\'s no initiation&lt;br&gt;ritual or anything.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So here I am: without helpful &quot;feedback&quot; but how about a crazy (potentially&lt;br&gt;irrelevant or redundant) idea?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What if the URL specs permitted a variable path element that could be&lt;br&gt;user-programmed with a local path setting: a localhost-directory identifier?&lt;br&gt;Imagine a game, medical-app, or mm edutainment WWW page that could call&lt;br&gt;sound, still and video files off of users\' storage media (e.g., CD-ROM). It&lt;br&gt;would also help HTML developers, because it [...]','InsignificantTypo man\'s crazy idea','Wed, 21 Jun 95 17:25:41 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=156080">InsignificantTypo man's crazy idea</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Philip Merrill</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 21 Jun 95 17:25:41 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">55 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 05:25p 06/21/95, Philip Merrill wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;e.g.,&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;d:\gamever2\&gt; weapons\Cajuns.htm&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;such that HTML documents\' URL would only contain: &quot;weapons\Cajuns.htm&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;[of course the HTML document would have to include an element or appropriate&lt;br&gt;&gt;symbol before the relative path table.]&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;and the user (in the example) would set his variable path element to:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&quot;d:\gamever2\&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, on my Mac &quot;weapons\Cajuns.htm&quot; would be &quot;weapons:Cajuns.html&quot;, so&lt;br&gt;it\'s broken already. ;) Besides, my computer and I are non-violent! [...]','Re: InsignificantTypo man\'s crazy idea','Thu, 22 Jun 95 02:32:48 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=157642">Re: InsignificantTypo man's crazy idea</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Walter Ian Kaye</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 02:32:48 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="47"></a><a href="#47">Java Applet element proposal</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('This conversation has been going on on the Java mailing list, but should&lt;br&gt;perhaps be shifted to html-wg, thus the cross-post. I suggest followups&lt;br&gt;to html-wg.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;| Subject: &lt;APPLET&gt; tag proposal&lt;br&gt;| Hi,&lt;br&gt;| As some of you may know the &lt;APP&gt; tag that is used in HotJava for&lt;br&gt;| defining applets is not compatible with the SGML standard. It uses an [...]','Java Applet element proposal','Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:02:35 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=5833">Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:02:35 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">169 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('BTW has anyone any idea how to get HJ to install? I downloaded it all&lt;br&gt;but some sicko has written the install script for ksh, and it fails&lt;br&gt;miserably on an unmatched quote somewhere (but it won\'t tell me&lt;br&gt;where). Why do Sun installs always suck?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;///Peter','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:46:39 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=6910">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:46:39 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">17 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Terry,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don\'t think this discussion should move to HTML-WG until the&lt;br&gt;proposal reaches somewhat of a steady state on hotjava-interest.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Terry Allen&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; asks:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Why isn\'t&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;APP CLASS=ThreeD SRC=&quot;applets/3D&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; MODEL=&quot;applets/3D/cube.obj&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; WIDTH=100 HEIGHT=100 SCALE=0.8 ALIGN=middle&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; okay already?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Almost _everything_ about it is unacceptable (as has already been&lt;br&gt;discussed on hotjava-interest...check out the archives).','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Thu, 1 Jun 95 21:22:57 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=7809">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Paul Burchard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 21:22:57 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">32 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Thanks, Arthur.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;| &gt; | Subject: &lt;APPLET&gt; tag proposal&lt;br&gt;| &gt; | Hi,&lt;br&gt;| &gt; | As some of you may know the &lt;APP&gt; tag that is used in HotJava for&lt;br&gt;| &gt; | defining applets is not compatible with the SGML standard. It uses an&lt;br&gt;| &gt; read &quot;HTML standard&quot;&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| No. Read &quot;SGML standard&quot;. The &lt;APP&gt; tag is not compatible with SGML&lt;br&gt;| because its attribute list cannot be expressed in a DTD. Any extentions&lt;br&gt;| to HTML should first pass the SGML compliance test before even being&lt;br&gt;| considered. That is why we are changing it. [...]','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Fri, 2 Jun 95 19:05:27 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=34186">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 19:05:27 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">201 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I suspect this thread is a little premature for html-wg. However, one&lt;br&gt;item caught my eye and is worth commenting on:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry, all the attributions had been stripped but &gt; is Terry Allen:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; | &gt; | &lt;APPLET CLASS=ThreeD SRC=&quot;applets/3D/&quot; ALIGN=middle WIDTH=100 HEIGHT=100&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; | &gt; | &lt;PARAM NAME=model VALUE=&quot;applets/3D/cube.obj&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; | &gt; | &lt;PARAM NAME=scale VALUE=0.8&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; | &gt; | If you where using &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://java.sun.com/&quot;&gt;HotJava&lt;/A&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; | &gt; | you would see a 3D cube here!&lt;br&gt;&gt; | &gt; | &lt;/APPLET&gt; [...]','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Mon, 5 Jun 95 06:39:55 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=56847">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">lilley</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jun 95 06:39:55 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">96 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, lilley wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Lastly, the word JAVA does not seem to appear in any of these proposals.&lt;br&gt;&gt; Is there a tacit assumption that JAVA is and will be the only form for&lt;br&gt;&gt; applets? Such assumption seems somewhat premature.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, I would agree with that. :) They do appear to have a LANGUAGE&lt;br&gt;attribute, but IMHO that shouldn\'t, as it is now, be implied. [...]','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:56:03 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=60907">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dianne Hackborn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:56:03 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 07:55p 06/05/95, Dianne Hackborn wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, lilley wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; Lastly, the word JAVA does not seem to appear in any of these proposals.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there a tacit assumption that JAVA is and will be the only form for&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; applets? Such assumption seems somewhat premature.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Yes, I would agree with that. :) They do appear to have a LANGUAGE&lt;br&gt;&gt;attribute, but IMHO that shouldn\'t, as it is now, be implied. [...]','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Wed, 7 Jun 95 06:50:05 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=68260">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Walter Ian Kaye</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 06:50:05 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;v01510109abfb32dcd60b@[198.68.46.118]&gt;, Walter Ian Kaye writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;At 07:55p 06/05/95, Dianne Hackborn wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, lilley wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Lastly, the word JAVA does not seem to appear in any of these proposals.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there a tacit assumption that JAVA is and will be the only form for&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; applets? Such assumption seems somewhat premature.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes, I would agree with that. :) They do appear to have a LANGUAGE&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;attribute, but IMHO that shouldn\'t, as it is now, be implied. [...]','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Wed, 7 Jun 95 09:45:28 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=68862">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 09:45:28 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">58 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dan asks:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Now... a point of order... this feels like a www-talk or www-html&lt;br&gt;discussion. Exactly what proposal are we discussing?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Arthur van Hoff had made a well formed proposal for &lt;APPLET&gt; that&lt;br&gt;I noticed on java-interest. I thought it ought to be considered&lt;br&gt;here (in connection with a possible INCLUDE element), so I started&lt;br&gt;the thread here. Paul Burchard has made a good argument that&lt;br&gt;it\'s just a special case of FIG, Dan concurs, and so now do I. [...]','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Wed, 7 Jun 95 10:51:38 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=69565">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 10:51:38 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">35 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Wait a minute here. I\'m not following, at all, why there\'s any need to&lt;br&gt;change HTML for applets. Even an unmodified HTML 2.0 can do them.&lt;br&gt;(It can, of course be done MUCH better with &lt;FIG&gt; in HTML 3.)&lt;br&gt;Consider the following fragment:','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Wed, 7 Jun 95 10:58:32 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=70192">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 10:58:32 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, [log in to unmask] wr&lt;br&gt;ites:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Am I totally off the mark here?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No, you\'re right on.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;Wait a minute here. I\'m not following, at all, why there\'s any need to&lt;br&gt;&gt;change HTML for applets. Even an unmodified HTML 2.0 can do them.&lt;br&gt;&gt;(It can, of course be done MUCH better with &lt;FIG&gt; in HTML 3.) [...]','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:24:32 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=70590">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:24:32 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; Wait a minute here. I\'m not following, at all, why there\'s any need to&lt;br&gt;&gt; change HTML for applets. Even an unmodified HTML 2.0 can do them.&lt;br&gt;&gt; (It can, of course be done MUCH better with &lt;FIG&gt; in HTML 3.)&lt;br&gt;&gt; Consider the following fragment:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ----------&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;P&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;The following region contains an applet&lt;BR&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;IMG ALIGN=&quot;TOP&quot; SRC=&quot;http://my.host/path/to/applet&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;/P&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ---------- [...]','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Wed, 7 Jun 95 12:52:48 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=72598">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tim Pierce</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 12:52:48 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">36 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Tim Pierce wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I\'m not persuaded that this is the right way to go about&lt;br&gt;&gt; applet implementation. If you view an applet as just a&lt;br&gt;&gt; fancy way to produce an image on your page, then sure, this&lt;br&gt;&gt; makes sense, but my impression of the applet concept is that&lt;br&gt;&gt; it goes beyond simple image generation. Downloading an&lt;br&gt;&gt; applet from a remote site permits the browser to execute&lt;br&gt;&gt; some arbitrary chunk of code, but it doesn\'t seem to me that&lt;br&gt;&gt; the function of the applet is limited to producing [...]','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:46:35 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=75230">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dianne Hackborn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:46:35 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">78 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Tim writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Consider the following fragment:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ----------&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;P&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;The following region contains an applet&lt;BR&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;IMG ALIGN=&quot;TOP&quot; SRC=&quot;http://my.host/path/to/applet&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;/P&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ----------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That\'s really weird formatting, incidentally.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I had charitably assumed that the TAGC characters had been rearranged&lt;br&gt;by an overenthusiastic mailer seeking inventive ways to flag cited&lt;br&gt;text :-) You should see some of the crap my users produce... [...]','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:47:47 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=75946">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:47:47 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">51 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, [log in to unmask] wr&lt;br&gt;&gt; ites:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;Am I totally off the mark here?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; No, you\'re right on.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think he is, convincing Sun and Netscape, which seem to love adding new&lt;br&gt;tags, will be harder.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;Wait a minute here. I\'m not following, at all, why there\'s any need to&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;change HTML for applets. Even an unmodified HTML 2.0 can do them.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;(It can, of course be done MUCH better with &lt;FIG&gt; in HTML 3.)&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The only outstanding question is how to pass parameters to the [...]','Re: Java Applet element proposal','Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:52:23 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=85093">Re: Java Applet element proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Craig Hubley</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:52:23 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">52 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="48"></a><a href="#48">June 15 draft -- DL</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Daniel W. Connolly &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; OK Joe, could you spin another text version? I hope to send this&lt;br&gt;&gt; one clear to the RFC editor, so make it good!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Done; I sent it to Dan and Jon Bosak, and it\'s also at:&lt;br&gt;&lt;URL:http://www.crl.com/~jenglish/html-spec.txt&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There\'s an experimental, alternate PostScript version at&lt;br&gt;&lt;URL:http://www.crl.com/~jenglish/html-spec.ps&gt;&lt;br&gt;It\'s still missing the public text and the proper RFC/I-D&lt;br&gt;headings. [...]','Re: June 15 draft -- DL','Thu, 15 Jun 95 20:36:31 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=131459">Re: June 15 draft -- DL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 20:36:31 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">59 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Daniel W. Connolly &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; * added verbiage about DT, DD when they don\'t occur in pairs&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; It now reads:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; The content of a DL element is a sequence of DT elements and/or DD&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; elements, usually in pairs. Multiple DT may be paired with a single DD&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; element. Documents should not contain multiple consecutive DD elements.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; What about cases where a term has multiple definitions?&lt;br&gt;&gt; ...&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;DT&gt;markup&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;DD&gt;(n.) text or annotations added to a document to convey&lt;br&gt;&gt; information [...]','Re: June 15 draft -- DL','Thu, 15 Jun 95 21:43:45 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=132097">Re: June 15 draft -- DL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 21:43:45 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">60 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Murray Maloney wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Daniel W. Connolly &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; * added verbiage about DT, DD when they don\'t occur in pairs&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; It now reads:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; The content of a DL element is a sequence of DT elements and/or DD&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; elements, usually in pairs. Multiple DT may be paired with a single DD&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; element. Documents should not contain multiple consecutive DD elements.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; What about cases where a term [...]','Re: June 15 draft -- DL','Fri, 16 Jun 95 13:04:51 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=135186">Re: June 15 draft -- DL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 16 Jun 95 13:04:51 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">65 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 1:04 PM 6/16/95, David Morris wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Hence on the alter of \'current practice\', I would vote for no change&lt;br&gt;&gt;in the current draft\'s intent. I\'m personally not very satisfied&lt;br&gt;&gt;with current rendering practice so would rather defer providing more&lt;br&gt;&gt;required complications until we can take the time and reflect on the&lt;br&gt;&gt;verbage. Definition lists are almost tables and I can surely provide&lt;br&gt;&gt;a more satisfying &lt;DL&gt; appearance with the deployed table support&lt;br&gt;&gt;than I can with &lt;DL&gt; support. Hence, I would suggest that the&lt;br&gt;&gt;TABLE document/RFC might include &lt;DL&gt; as a candidate for improvement&lt;br&gt;&gt;as well. Or perhaps we [...]','Re: June 15 draft -- DL','Fri, 16 Jun 95 14:02:14 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=137505">Re: June 15 draft -- DL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Albert Lunde</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 16 Jun 95 14:02:14 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">34 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('David Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Well, a pragmatic concern I have has to do with rendering description&lt;br&gt;&gt; for the case of multiple &lt;dd&gt;s in a row. From a structure of&lt;br&gt;&gt; document perspective multiple &lt;dd&gt;s has appeal. From a what should&lt;br&gt;&gt; appear visually, its not clear to me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What should appear visually is what does appear -- we are documenting&lt;br&gt;current practice. Here is an example of what Mosaic does: [...]','Re: June 15 draft -- DL','Fri, 16 Jun 95 13:58:25 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=138302">Re: June 15 draft -- DL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 16 Jun 95 13:58:25 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">62 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="49"></a><a href="#49">June 15 draft by ftp</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Joe\'s plaintext version is now on ftp.novell.com in&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;/pub/epub/stds/html2.0/950615.txt&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jon','June 15 draft by ftp','Fri, 16 Jun 95 09:38:20 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=133161">June 15 draft by ftp</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 16 Jun 95 09:38:20 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="50"></a><a href="#50">June 15 draft: INPUT, ISO-8859, SGML references</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('OK Joe, could you spin another text version? I hope to send this&lt;br&gt;one clear to the RFC editor, so make it good!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, folks: if you find your comments straying from suggested&lt;br&gt;edits to this draft, PLEASE CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE. I\'m fond&lt;br&gt;of using the hypertext archive to see if I\'ve caught everything,&lt;br&gt;and threads that wander off without changing the subject line&lt;br&gt;don\'t help. [...]','June 15 draft: INPUT, ISO-8859, SGML references','Thu, 15 Jun 95 17:43:10 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=130870">June 15 draft: INPUT, ISO-8859, SGML references</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 17:43:10 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">99 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="51"></a><a href="#51">June 8 draft by ftp</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I\'ve put a copy of the June 8 HTML 2.0 draft (courtesy of Joe English)&lt;br&gt;on ftp.novell.com as the file /pub/epub/stds/html2.0/950608.txt for&lt;br&gt;anyone who finds it easier to get their files by ftp than through the&lt;br&gt;Web.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jon','June 8 draft by ftp','Wed, 14 Jun 95 22:24:33 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=114833">June 8 draft by ftp</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 22:24:33 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="52"></a><a href="#52">June 8 draft: minor nits. the last one?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('OK. Joe: could you do your magic and build a text/plain version&lt;br&gt;from:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/html-spec/html-spec-19950608.tar.gz&lt;br&gt;-rw-rw-r-- 1 connolly www 266149 Jun 8 11:00 html-spec-19950608.tar.gz&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That tar file also contains all the html files. And they\'re&lt;br&gt;all on line at:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/html-spec/html-spec_toc.html&lt;br&gt;Thu Jun 8 16:00:49 1995&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The changes in this draft (relative to June 3) are pretty minor, I\'d&lt;br&gt;say. I think we\'re about ready to go. I even spell checked it (finally!) [...]','June 8 draft: minor nits. the last one?','Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:50:15 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=84343">June 8 draft: minor nits. the last one?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:50:15 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">51 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Is there a postscript version available?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave','Re: June 8 draft: minor nits. the last one?','Fri, 9 Jun 95 17:36:48 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=88752">Re: June 8 draft: minor nits. the last one?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David - Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jun 95 17:36:48 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">14 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Daniel W. Connolly wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/html-spec/html-spec-19950608.tar.gz&lt;br&gt;&gt; -rw-rw-r-- 1 connolly www 266149 Jun 8 11:00 html-spec-19950608.tar.gz&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; That tar file also contains all the html files. And they\'re&lt;br&gt;&gt; all on line at:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I didn\'t find any HTML in the tar file? Also, it was suggested by&lt;br&gt;someone else that this file contains a postscript file which I didn\'t&lt;br&gt;find in the tar file either. Is there more than one file? [...]','Re: June 8 draft: minor nits. the last one?','Fri, 9 Jun 95 18:48:09 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=88977">Re: June 8 draft: minor nits. the last one?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David - Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jun 95 18:48:09 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Minor nit: the Non-Breaking Space (&amp;#160;) is still missing in the&lt;br&gt;ISO-8859-1 table at the end of the spec. It _is_ part of ISO-Latin-1,&lt;br&gt;is referred to elsewhere in the HTML spec, and thus should not be&lt;br&gt;marked as &quot;unused&quot;. The Carriage Return (&amp;#13;), which was also&lt;br&gt;missing, is now correctly mentionned in the table.','Re: June 8 draft: minor nits. the last one?','Tue, 13 Jun 95 09:45:11 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=90320">Re: June 8 draft: minor nits. the last one?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Francois Yergeau</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 13 Jun 95 09:45:11 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">23 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="53"></a><a href="#53">Last call: Intro, SGML, MIME sections</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In section &quot;2.2.1Data Characters&quot;, there is a short paragraph that&lt;br&gt;says:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And note that an ampersand is only recognized as markup when&lt;br&gt;it is followed by a letter or digit:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact, numeric character references start with &amp;#, so the above&lt;br&gt;should read:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And note that an ampersand is only recognized as markup when&lt;br&gt;it is followed by a letter or or by a number sign (&quot;#&quot;): [...]','Re: Last call: Intro, SGML, MIME sections','Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:13:37 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=3337">Re: Last call: Intro, SGML, MIME sections</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Francois Yergeau</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:13:37 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">40 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:13:18 EDT&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: Francois Yergeau &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In section &quot;2.2.1Data Characters&quot;, there is a short paragraph that&lt;br&gt;&gt; says:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; And note that an ampersand is only recognized as markup when&lt;br&gt;&gt; it is followed by a letter or digit:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In fact, numeric character references start with &amp;#, so the above&lt;br&gt;&gt; should read:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; And note that an ampersand is only recognized as markup when&lt;br&gt;&gt; it is followed by a letter or or by a number sign (&quot;#&quot;): [...]','Re: Last call: Intro, SGML, MIME sections','Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:46:45 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=3906">Re: Last call: Intro, SGML, MIME sections</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">James Clark</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:46:45 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Francois Yergeau writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;In section &quot;2.2.1Data Characters&quot;, there is a short paragraph that&lt;br&gt;&gt;says:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; And note that an ampersand is only recognized as markup when&lt;br&gt;&gt; it is followed by a letter or digit:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good catch. How about:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;|And note that an ampersand is only recognized as markup when it&lt;br&gt;|is followed by a letter or a &lt;code/#/ and a digit: [...]','Re: Last call: Intro, SGML, MIME sections','Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:02:16 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=14274">Re: Last call: Intro, SGML, MIME sections</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 23:02:16 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">37 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="54"></a><a href="#54">LAST UPDATED and FRESH UNTIL dates</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('WEB pages need two embedded standard date/times.&lt;br&gt;LAST UPDATED and FRESH UNTIL&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These could be used for automatically detecting changes. They could also&lt;br&gt;be used to transparently cache ordinary URL pages at any node in the net&lt;br&gt;without needing URNs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;FRESH UNTIL is a conservative estimate of update frequency.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If a page is modified before its old FRESH UNTIL date has expired, the node&lt;br&gt;must notify sites that have it cached, or risk users fetching the old&lt;br&gt;version. [...]','LAST UPDATED and FRESH UNTIL dates','Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:08:46 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=65826">LAST UPDATED and FRESH UNTIL dates</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:08:46 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">27 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Tue, 6 Jun 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; WEB pages need two embedded standard date/times.&lt;br&gt;&gt; LAST UPDATED and FRESH UNTIL&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One might point out that HTTP already has Last-modified: and Expires:&lt;br&gt;headers, most web servers use them where applicable, and most clients&lt;br&gt;likewise make use of them in their caches, and automatically reload pages&lt;br&gt;when the time is up, and so forth. The feature you\'re asking for already&lt;br&gt;exists, and has so for several years. [...]','Re: LAST UPDATED and FRESH UNTIL dates','Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:58:00 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=66464">Re: LAST UPDATED and FRESH UNTIL dates</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Alexei Kosut</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:58:00 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; WEB pages need two embedded standard date/times.&lt;br&gt;&gt; LAST UPDATED and FRESH UNTIL&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Isn\'t that one of the things META is to be used for?&lt;br&gt;Perhaps we should make this clearer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;///Peter','Re: LAST UPDATED and FRESH UNTIL dates','Wed, 7 Jun 95 04:23:01 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=67124">Re: LAST UPDATED and FRESH UNTIL dates</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 7 Jun 95 04:23:01 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">18 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="55"></a><a href="#55">Latin-1 references</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Some references to the Latin-1 character set need changing in the HTML&lt;br&gt;2.0 draft. I mailed Dan about this a couple of weeks ago and would&lt;br&gt;have done so again but for his insistence that such comments be posted&lt;br&gt;to the list.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;| The minimum character repertoire supported by all conforming&lt;br&gt;| HTML user agents is Latin Alphabet No. 1, or simply Latin-1.&lt;br&gt;| Latin-1 includes characters from most Western European&lt;br&gt;| languages, as well as a number of control characters. Latin-1&lt;br&gt;| also includes a non-breaking space, a soft hyphen indicator, 93&lt;br&gt;| graphical characters, 8 unassigned characters, and [...]','Latin-1 references','Thu, 15 Jun 95 01:30:52 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=115963">Latin-1 references</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 01:30:52 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">141 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 01:30:35 EDT&lt;br&gt;From: [log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everything up to 32 on this list is derived from someplace other&lt;br&gt;than 8859 and is not part of Latin-1, which consists solely of graphic&lt;br&gt;characters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The standards which defines the control characters commonly employed in&lt;br&gt;the C0 space (0x00 - 0x1F) and the C1 space (0x80 - 0x9F) are defined by&lt;br&gt;&quot;ISO/IEC 6429:1992 Information technology - Control functions for coded&lt;br&gt;character sets&quot; and by &quot;ISO 2022:1986 Information processing - ISO 7-bit&lt;br&gt;and 8-bit coded character sets - Code extension techniques&quot;. The former&lt;br&gt;defines things like NULL, HT, CR, LF, while [...]','Re: Latin-1 references','Thu, 15 Jun 95 09:58:05 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=121348">Re: Latin-1 references</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 09:58:05 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Jon_Bo&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask] writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Some references to the Latin-1 character set need changing in the HTML&lt;br&gt;&gt;2.0 draft.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Apparently so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I mailed Dan about this a couple of weeks ago and would&lt;br&gt;&gt;have done so again but for his insistence that such comments be posted&lt;br&gt;&gt;to the list.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry. This is news to me. I incorporated some edits about ISO-8859-1,&lt;br&gt;but I didn\'t realize then what you\'re saying now. [...]','Re: Latin-1 references','Thu, 15 Jun 95 15:38:05 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=128079">Re: Latin-1 references</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 15:38:05 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="56"></a><a href="#56">LI syntax, Modest Proposal</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('This is *not* a suggestion for a change to 2.0, just an observation&lt;br&gt;and a proposal for eventual change.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem with anything after LI is that the content model of LI&lt;br&gt;is %flow;, which allows PCDATA:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ENTITY % flow &quot;(%text|%block)*&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is convenient for input to allow pcdata after &lt;LI&gt;, but structurally&lt;br&gt;one should require a &lt;P&gt;. I propose that at some future point the&lt;br&gt;Recommended form of flow should drop %text;, or that the Recommended&lt;br&gt;form of LI should use %block instead. Then there\'s no ambiguity about&lt;br&gt;the whitespace: it isn\'t significant. [...]','LI syntax, Modest Proposal','Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:22:29 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=163057">LI syntax, Modest Proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:22:29 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">35 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="57"></a><a href="#57">May 31 Draft</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('First, thanks to Dan for getting this out. Great job.&lt;br&gt;Second, I have no major gripes that haven\'t already been aired.&lt;br&gt;Third, a few nits:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;p.1, footnote. &quot;identified&quot; is clearer than &quot;called out&quot; to&lt;br&gt;non-Americans.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;p.2, para 3. &quot;several variations&quot;? Just two, surely?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;p.3, top. [SGML] should have the brackets removed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;p.4, top. ditto, passim (eg p.6, bottom) There are rather a lot&lt;br&gt;of these. [...]','May 31 Draft','Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:42:40 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=6338">May 31 Draft</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 20:42:40 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">51 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Peter Flynn writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[anything not mentioned here was edited as requested]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;p.2, para 3. &quot;several variations&quot;? Just two, surely?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nope. You forget HTML.Deprecated, plus levels...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;p.3, top. [SGML] should have the brackets removed.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;p.4, top. ditto, passim (eg p.6, bottom) There are rather a lot&lt;br&gt;&gt; of these.&lt;br&gt;&gt;p.32, 6.3 Queries [URL] remove brackets&lt;br&gt;&gt; [...]','Re: May 31 Draft','Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:07:58 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=16965">Re: May 31 Draft</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:07:58 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Daniel W. Connolly wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Peter Flynn writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;p.3, top. [SGML] should have the brackets removed.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;p.32, 6.3 Queries [URL] remove brackets&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Those are bibilography citations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I eventually figured that out but even then found the notation&lt;br&gt;confusing/distracting. Perhaps because in some cases the SGML&lt;br&gt;etc is needed in the context as well as as a reference?&lt;br&gt;I don\'t have a better idea at the moment but figured if two of us&lt;br&gt;were confused, there might be better notation. [...]','Re: May 31 Draft','Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:13:00 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=35562">Re: May 31 Draft</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David - Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:13:00 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="58"></a><a href="#58">META</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hello all,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And now for something completely different....:)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is desireable to allow the inclusion of non-displaying,&lt;br&gt;self-descriptive information in network resources. The META tag is the&lt;br&gt;logical (and, I believe, intended?) place for such descriptive&lt;br&gt;information.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We propose that META be specified as a non-displaying container of&lt;br&gt;unspecified internal structure that will allow a variety of&lt;br&gt;experimental approaches to inclusion of metadata in HTML documents. [...]','META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 15:26:11 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=179826">META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric Miller</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 15:26:11 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Well, META is in HEAD so it\'s already non-displaying. [Unless one&lt;br&gt;has a broken user agent.]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You can put up to 1024 characters of arbitrary CDATA in its CONTENT&lt;br&gt;attribute now. Is it a matter of this being inadequate?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You also have two other options for including your own data:&lt;br&gt;PIs and marked sections. Though here you may have trouble due&lt;br&gt;to non-conformance of some user agents. [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 15:45:12 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=180454">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 15:45:12 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">23 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Jun 27, 3:26pm, Eric Miller wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; We propose that META be specified as a non-displaying container of&lt;br&gt;&gt; unspecified internal structure that will allow a variety of&lt;br&gt;&gt; experimental approaches to inclusion of metadata in HTML documents.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hear! Hear! However, I would push this back a level and say that&lt;br&gt;HEAD be non-displaying, except where special provision is made&lt;br&gt;for elements such as TITLE (or even META). [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:03:49 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=181000">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ronald E. Daniel</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:03:49 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">32 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Jun 27, 3:45pm, Glenn Adams wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; You can put up to 1024 characters of arbitrary CDATA in its CONTENT&lt;br&gt;&gt; attribute now. Is it a matter of this being inadequate?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, if you want to put hierarchically structured info into META&lt;br&gt;tags, you have to play games such as adopting a syntactic&lt;br&gt;convention for names to indicate hierarchy. This cannot be&lt;br&gt;validated by an SGML parser anymore.','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:11:48 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=181584">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ronald E. Daniel</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:11:48 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;We encourage discussion of how best to accomodate this goal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In response to Eric\'s suggestion, one place to begin is the language&lt;br&gt;in 04.txt. A few comments are appended.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As some of us have discussed, a good solution from the SGML standpoint&lt;br&gt;would be to add a SCHEME attribute and allow content in META, so that&lt;br&gt;instead of [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:40:51 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=182137">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:40:51 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">145 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The unfortunate problem with META is that it\'s currently defined as an&lt;br&gt;empty element. I certainly have no problem with changing it, but isn\'t&lt;br&gt;that the sort of thing that throws people into fits about &quot;breaking&lt;br&gt;existing documents&quot; and so on?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What about a new head element that would serve exactly as Eric suggested --&lt;br&gt;to allow for unspecified structural content? I have thought about&lt;br&gt;&quot;METADATA&quot; as a possible name for it. [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:42:06 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=182613">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tom Magliery</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:42:06 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">42 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:39:46 EDT&lt;br&gt;From: &quot;Terry Allen&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ELEMENT META - - (%text;)*&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ATTLIST META&lt;br&gt;HTTP-EQUIV NAME #IMPLIED&lt;br&gt;NAME NAME #IMPLIED&lt;br&gt;SCHEME NAME #IMPLIED &gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think we would not want %text to be the content model in any case&lt;br&gt;(since that would give folks the wrong idea that this was displayable&lt;br&gt;content); more preferable would be one of the following: [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:59:36 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=183194">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:59:36 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Glenn on my content model:&lt;br&gt;| &lt;!ELEMENT META - - (%text;)*&gt;&lt;br&gt;| &lt;!ATTLIST META&lt;br&gt;| HTTP-EQUIV NAME #IMPLIED&lt;br&gt;| NAME NAME #IMPLIED&lt;br&gt;| SCHEME NAME #IMPLIED &gt;&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| I think we would not want %text to be the content model in any case&lt;br&gt;| (since that would give folks the wrong idea that this was displayable&lt;br&gt;| content); more preferable would be one of the following: [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:15:22 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=183747">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:15:22 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">53 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Tom remarks:&lt;br&gt;&gt;According to the 2.0 DTD, TITLE is the only HEAD element that allows&lt;br&gt;content. Furthermore, I don\'t think the 2.0 spec indicates anywhere that&lt;br&gt;spurious head content should not be rendered. I\'m not saying I agree with&lt;br&gt;this, just that that\'s what the spec says.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and I just want to remark that we are talking about a future change,&lt;br&gt;not something for 2.0. [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:28:20 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=184255">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:28:20 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('From: &quot;Terry Allen&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:09:22 -0700&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;| I think we would not want %text to be the content model in any case&lt;br&gt;| (since that would give folks the wrong idea that this was displayable&lt;br&gt;| content); more preferable would be one of the following:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I did that deliberately to allow markup, as in... [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:36:24 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=184771">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:36:24 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">40 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 3:26 PM 6/27/95, [log in to unmask] wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;It is desireable to allow the inclusion of non-displaying,&lt;br&gt;&gt;self-descriptive information in network resources. The META tag is the&lt;br&gt;&gt;logical (and, I believe, intended?) place for such descriptive&lt;br&gt;&gt;information.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;We propose that META be specified as a non-displaying container of&lt;br&gt;&gt;unspecified internal structure that will allow a variety of&lt;br&gt;&gt;experimental approaches to inclusion of metadata in HTML documents. [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:43:28 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=185260">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Albert Lunde</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:43:28 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">53 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:43:18 EDT&lt;br&gt;From: Albert Lunde &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(Someone else has addressed the SGML mechanisms (which exist and&lt;br&gt;don\'t work))&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If it doesn\'t work it is only because an HTML user agent is lacking or is&lt;br&gt;simply non-conformant; it is not because SGML is lacking. Since we are&lt;br&gt;talking about extensions for the future (and not simply modifications to&lt;br&gt;the HTML 2.0 DTD), then we can rightly consider requiring user agents to&lt;br&gt;become more capable w.r.t. SGML. [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 18:03:00 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=185882">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 18:03:00 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Please don\'t take my response as being argumentative; I don\'t mean it that way:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;- Drafts with META in the present form have been circulated for a while and&lt;br&gt;&gt;META is actually in use by some tools and servers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;People always say this, but is it true? Does anyone have examples? Is&lt;br&gt;anyone really using META? [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 18:28:51 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=186533">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tom Magliery</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 18:28:51 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 5:28 PM 6/27/95, Terry Allen wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;However, as META is not widely used for anything yet (or is it?),&lt;br&gt;&gt;we could contemplate a backward-incompatible change to it,&lt;br&gt;&gt;especially as a patch for docs should be little required and&lt;br&gt;&gt;very simple.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;META is used in at least MOMspider, Harvest (see the documentation for the&lt;br&gt;SGML-based HTML summarizer), and John Franks wn server. [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 18:35:36 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=186996">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Albert Lunde</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 18:35:36 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">27 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; At 5:28 PM 6/27/95, Terry Allen wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;However, as META is not widely used for anything yet (or is it?),&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;we could contemplate a backward-incompatible change to it,&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;especially as a patch for docs should be little required and&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;very simple.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; META is used in at least MOMspider, Harvest (see the documentation for the&lt;br&gt;&gt; SGML-based HTML summarizer), and John Franks wn server. [...]','Re: META','Tue, 27 Jun 95 23:37:30 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=187535">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Albert Lunde</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jun 95 23:37:30 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">49 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I have no particular attachment to META, other than its obvious&lt;br&gt;semantic proximity to the objective of including metadata in html&lt;br&gt;records.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;flame_bait mode=please ignore&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for its use elsewhere, what is the threshold that binds us to the&lt;br&gt;unsanctioned application of a tag? Is it 100 documents? 1000?&lt;br&gt;100,000? 0.1%? 1%?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I remain unconvinced that any extant application of META is sacrosanct,&lt;br&gt;but this is a side issue. I will be happy with ANY non-displaying tag. [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 07:53:47 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=188089">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 07:53:47 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">35 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I don\'t see why META as it stands now isn\'t adequate, even given its&lt;br&gt;limits on the length of CONTENT. This limit can be circumvented easily&lt;br&gt;enough:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;META NAME=&quot;MyConcatenatedMetaData&quot; CONTENT=&quot;First 1024 characters ...&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;META NAME=&quot;MyConcatenatedMetaData&quot; CONTENT=&quot;Second 1024 characters ...&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;or&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;META NAME=&quot;MyExternalMetaData&quot; CONTENT=&quot;URL:http://meta.com/mymeta.meta&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you want to change META to become a container (or supply some other tag&lt;br&gt;to serve this purpose), then, if it is to be truly meta data, you aren\'t&lt;br&gt;going to be able to use anything other than declared content of CDATA, or&lt;br&gt;perhaps a #PCDATA model in any case. Using one or [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 08:33:45 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=188710">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 08:33:45 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">37 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('One wants to be able to mark up the contents of META (and thus it&lt;br&gt;or some other element, to be invented, needs to allow content)&lt;br&gt;because such undeniably common pieces of metadata as Title and&lt;br&gt;Publisher may need to require such things as italics and superscripts.&lt;br&gt;Even Subject could require superscripts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As it is understood in current metadata proposals that one cannot&lt;br&gt;define all the types of metadata that could be required, there are&lt;br&gt;sure to be other types that will also require inline markup. [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 10:15:25 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=189979">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 10:15:25 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">44 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('From: &quot;Terry Allen&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:08:36 -0700&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One wants to be able to mark up the contents of META (and thus it&lt;br&gt;or some other element, to be invented, needs to allow content)&lt;br&gt;because such undeniably common pieces of metadata as Title and&lt;br&gt;Publisher may need to require such things as italics and superscripts.&lt;br&gt;Even Subject could require superscripts. [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 11:23:40 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=191255">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 11:23:40 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 10:15 AM 6/28/95, Terry Allen wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;One wants to be able to mark up the contents of META (and thus it&lt;br&gt;&gt;or some other element, to be invented, needs to allow content)&lt;br&gt;&gt;because such undeniably common pieces of metadata as Title and&lt;br&gt;&gt;Publisher may need to require such things as italics and superscripts.&lt;br&gt;&gt;Even Subject could require superscripts.&lt;br&gt;[...]&lt;br&gt;&gt;Albert\'s survey does suggest that META is currently in use; I would&lt;br&gt;&gt;not call that &quot;unsanctioned&quot; as Stu did, though I agree with Stu that&lt;br&gt;&gt;a small amount of use would not be an insuperable obstacle to changing&lt;br&gt;&gt;the specification [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 12:17:07 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=191796">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Albert Lunde</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 12:17:07 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">51 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; A true meta data container would not permit&lt;br&gt;&gt; element or mixed content since that would defeat its function of&lt;br&gt;&gt; encapsulating arbitrary meta data (for which you would not wish markup&lt;br&gt;&gt; to be recognized).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don\'t think this is correct. Isn\'t the problem here the character set&lt;br&gt;demon that haunts us continuously? Terry is absolutely right that things&lt;br&gt;like title and subject will require italics and superscripts... look at&lt;br&gt;the Chemistry literature, for example. [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 12:36:32 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=192556">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 12:36:32 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 12:36:08 EDT&lt;br&gt;From: [log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And indeed, I *DO* want displayable metadata... I just don\'t want it&lt;br&gt;displayed as a matter of course by browsers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you want particular kinds of meta data to be displayable as content,&lt;br&gt;then you should consider adding a new BODY element in the same vein as&lt;br&gt;BANNER. IMO, META is the wrong vehicle for what you and Terry are suggesting. [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 13:06:10 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=193165">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 13:06:10 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">25 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[log in to unmask] writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; [...], I *DO* want displayable metadata... I just don\'t want it displayed&lt;br&gt;&gt; as a matter of course by browsers.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; But I think we need not resolve the fine details at the outset... the&lt;br&gt;&gt; whole idea is to quickly put in place a convention that will allow us&lt;br&gt;&gt; to experiment without splattering the users screen with ugly constructs.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;This may seem like an off-the-wall suggestion, but ... [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 13:19:46 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=193723">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 13:19:46 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">46 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[log in to unmask] wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;|In any case, let us not get bogged down in the tag... what is needed is&lt;br&gt;|a non-displaying tag reserved specifically to the purpose of metadata.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or something richer. In a perfect world, I\'d like to see the use of SUBDOC (or&lt;br&gt;some functional equivalent) to specify a DTD for domain-specific metadata, none&lt;br&gt;of which would be displayed by the UA. SGML compliant UA\'s would perform full&lt;br&gt;SGML parsing while HTML parser/renders could just ignore those data. [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:11:46 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=194301">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Marc Salomon</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:11:46 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">22 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Murray Maloney writes:&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask] writes:&lt;br&gt;|&gt;&lt;br&gt;|&gt; [...], I *DO* want displayable metadata... I just don\'t want it displayed&lt;br&gt;|&gt; as a matter of course by browsers.&lt;br&gt;|&gt;&lt;br&gt;|&gt; But I think we need not resolve the fine details at the outset... the&lt;br&gt;|&gt; whole idea is to quickly put in place a convention that will allow us&lt;br&gt;|&gt; to experiment without splattering the users screen with ugly constructs.&lt;br&gt;|&gt;&lt;br&gt;|This may seem like an off-the-wall suggestion, but ...&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;|Would it be in any way reasonable and/or acceptable for&lt;br&gt;|a document\'s meta data to be stored outside of the&lt;br&gt; [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:19:15 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=194957">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Bert Bos</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:19:15 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; Would it be in any way reasonable and/or acceptable for&lt;br&gt;&gt; a document\'s meta data to be stored outside of the&lt;br&gt;&gt; actual document and accessible via a hypertext link?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe that it will be commonplace to have a pointer to external&lt;br&gt;description... a MARC record, an FGDC record, whatever... in the META&lt;br&gt;section. [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:27:58 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=195690">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:27:58 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">36 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; Or something richer. In a perfect world, I\'d like to see the use of SUBDOC (or&lt;br&gt;&gt; some functional equivalent) to specify a DTD for domain-specific metadata, none&lt;br&gt;&gt; of which would be displayed by the UA. SGML compliant UA\'s would perform full&lt;br&gt;&gt; SGML parsing while HTML parser/renders could just ignore those data. [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:38:50 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=196143">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric Miller</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:38:50 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:18:45 EDT&lt;br&gt;From: Bert Bos &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Seems like a good idea, but maybe an include mechanism (say something&lt;br&gt;like &lt;INCLUDE SRC=&quot;URL&quot;&gt;) is an even more general solution. It could&lt;br&gt;be used for other things besides META data.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There\'s already a perfectly good HTML 2.0 conformant way to accomplish&lt;br&gt;inclusions or referencing of arbitrary external data without having to&lt;br&gt;create an INCLUDE element type. It just requires smarter user agents: [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:39:33 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=196601">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:39:33 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Jun 28, 1:19pm, Murray Maloney wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Would it be in any way reasonable and/or acceptable for&lt;br&gt;&gt; a document\'s meta data to be stored outside of the&lt;br&gt;&gt; actual document and accessible via a hypertext link?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are some usages where this works. However, what we want&lt;br&gt;to do here at the lab is put the metadata in the HEAD so that&lt;br&gt;it can\'t get lost. Then we harvest that info for our metadata&lt;br&gt;service. This is similar to the existing uses of META, we just&lt;br&gt;want more representational richness. [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:14:49 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=197233">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ronald E. Daniel</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:14:49 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">42 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Glenn Adams wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 12:36:08 EDT&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: [log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; And indeed, I *DO* want displayable metadata... I just don\'t want it&lt;br&gt;&gt; displayed as a matter of course by browsers.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; If you want particular kinds of meta data to be displayable as content,&lt;br&gt;&gt; then you should consider adding a new BODY element in the same vein as&lt;br&gt;&gt; BANNER. IMO, META is the wrong vehicle for what you and Terry are suggesting. [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:18:31 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=197906">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:18:31 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">57 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Glenn writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There\'s already a perfectly good HTML 2.0 conformant way to accomplish&lt;br&gt;inclusions or referencing of arbitrary external data without having to&lt;br&gt;create an INCLUDE element type. It just requires smarter user agents:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC &quot;-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN&quot; [&lt;br&gt;&lt;!NOTATION MyNotation PUBLIC &quot;-//MyOrg//NOTATION MyNotation//EN&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ENTITY MyRandomData SYSTEM &quot;http://foo.com/random.dat&quot; NDATA MyNotation&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ENTITY MyPCData SYSTEM &quot;http://foo.com/pcdata.htm&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;title&gt;External Stuff&lt;/&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;Don\'t retype &amp;MyPCData;, just execute &amp;MyRandomData;. [...]','Re: META','Wed, 28 Jun 95 19:16:52 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=200151">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 19:16:52 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">32 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Murray writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;So, I wonder whether a &lt;LINK REL=META ...&gt; is a possibility.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh yeah. I definitely want to be able to do that, too. One of the&lt;br&gt;reasons for wanting to use HTML META is to encourage authors to&lt;br&gt;supply the info in the first place; there is some sentiment that&lt;br&gt;if authors have to write up separate docs they will be less likely&lt;br&gt;to bother. [...]','Re: META','Thu, 29 Jun 95 11:54:19 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=200888">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jun 95 11:54:19 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">37 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Glenn writes:&lt;br&gt;| There\'s already a perfectly good HTML 2.0 conformant way to accomplish&lt;br&gt;| inclusions or referencing of arbitrary external data without having to&lt;br&gt;| create an INCLUDE element type. It just requires smarter user agents:&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| &lt;!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC &quot;-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN&quot; [&lt;br&gt;| &lt;!NOTATION MyNotation PUBLIC &quot;-//MyOrg//NOTATION MyNotation//EN&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;| &lt;!ENTITY MyRandomData SYSTEM &quot;http://foo.com/random.dat&quot; NDATA MyNotation&gt;&lt;br&gt;| &lt;!ENTITY MyPCData SYSTEM &quot;http://foo.com/pcdata.htm&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;| ]&gt;&lt;br&gt;| &lt;title&gt;External Stuff&lt;/&gt;&lt;br&gt;| &lt;p&gt;Don\'t retype &amp;MyPCData;, just execute &amp;MyRandomData;. [...]','Re: META','Thu, 29 Jun 95 11:50:47 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=201389">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jun 95 11:50:47 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">44 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 11:50:28 EDT&lt;br&gt;From: &quot;Terry Allen&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But, as has been mentioned, we have shied away from requiring UAs to&lt;br&gt;read an internal subset, because then authors can put anything in&lt;br&gt;there (ISO 12083, etc). So this is not the best way forward.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don\'t agree. First, a document containing an internal subset is not&lt;br&gt;currently unconformant. Therefore UAs should be prepared to deal with&lt;br&gt;internal subsets now. The question is how much. [...]','Re: META','Thu, 29 Jun 95 14:43:26 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=202916">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jun 95 14:43:26 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Glenn re Terry:&lt;br&gt;| But, as has been mentioned, we have shied away from requiring UAs to&lt;br&gt;| read an internal subset, because then authors can put anything in&lt;br&gt;| there (ISO 12083, etc). So this is not the best way forward.&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| I don\'t agree. First, a document containing an internal subset is not&lt;br&gt;| currently unconformant. Therefore UAs should be prepared to deal with&lt;br&gt;| internal subsets now. The question is how much. [...]','Re: META','Thu, 29 Jun 95 17:16:43 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=203540">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jun 95 17:16:43 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">69 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('From: &quot;Terry Allen&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:11:32 -0700&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;| I don\'t agree. First, a document containing an internal subset is not&lt;br&gt;| currently unconformant. Therefore UAs should be prepared to deal with&lt;br&gt;| internal subsets now. The question is how much.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\'d be happy if they did. But it would be a very large change. [...]','Re: META','Thu, 29 Jun 95 17:50:25 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=204104">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jun 95 17:50:25 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">64 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Glenn:&lt;br&gt;| From: &quot;Terry Allen&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;| Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:11:32 -0700&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| | I don\'t agree. First, a document containing an internal subset is not&lt;br&gt;| | currently unconformant. Therefore UAs should be prepared to deal with&lt;br&gt;| | internal subsets now. The question is how much.&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| I\'d be happy if they did. But it would be a very large change.&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| For some folks perhaps. [...]','Re: META','Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:15:14 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=204599">Re: META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:15:14 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">80 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="59"></a><a href="#59">METHODS and TITLE</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Sort of two birds with one stone here:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. I see that METHODS and TITLE remain in the 15 June draft. We would&lt;br&gt;like to remain there. Everyone seems to agree on TITLE. For METHODS, we&lt;br&gt;are investigating the possible uses of this attribute as part of our&lt;br&gt;repository research, and wouldn\'t like for it to go away just yet. [...]','METHODS and TITLE','Tue, 20 Jun 95 11:20:47 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=146987">METHODS and TITLE</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tom Magliery</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 11:20:47 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;[...] how&lt;br&gt;&gt;do people feel about a SUBJECT attribute?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\'d say: don\'t try and add new features till we get 2.0 out the door. Don\'t&lt;br&gt;tinker with the DTD unless it fixes something broken.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;---&lt;br&gt;Albert Lunde [log in to unmask]','Re: METHODS and TITLE','Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:52:20 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=147468">Re: METHODS and TITLE</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Albert Lunde</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:52:20 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; 2. In internal releases of Mosaic for Windows 2.0b5, we\'ve added an&lt;br&gt;&gt; attribute to A called SUBJECT, which would be used with mailto: URLs for&lt;br&gt;&gt; just what you think it would be. It seems to me, though, that TITLE might&lt;br&gt;&gt; be suitable for use for this. Opinions on this? [...]','Re: METHODS and TITLE','Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:58:45 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=147865">Re: METHODS and TITLE</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Larry Masinter</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:58:45 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Tom Magliery writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; 2. In internal releases of Mosaic for Windows 2.0b5, we\'ve added an&lt;br&gt;&gt; attribute to A called SUBJECT, which would be used with mailto: URLs for&lt;br&gt;&gt; just what you think it would be. It seems to me, though, that TITLE might&lt;br&gt;&gt; be suitable for use for this. Opinions on this?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; If there are strong negative feelings about the use of TITLE for this, how&lt;br&gt;&gt; do people feel about a SUBJECT attribute? [...]','Re: METHODS and TITLE','Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:32:34 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=148311">Re: METHODS and TITLE</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:32:34 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">22 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; &gt; 2. In internal releases of Mosaic for Windows 2.0b5, we\'ve added an&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; attribute to A called SUBJECT, which would be used with mailto: URLs for&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; just what you think it would be. It seems to me, though, that TITLE might&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; be suitable for use for this. Opinions on this?&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; If there are strong negative feelings about the use of TITLE for this, how&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; do people feel about a SUBJECT attribute?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I think that this would be a very good use for the TITLE attribute. [...]','Re: METHODS and TITLE','Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:54:28 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=148900">Re: METHODS and TITLE</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel Wood - FES OPS ~</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:54:28 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[log in to unmask] (Tom Magliery) wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; 2. In internal releases of Mosaic for Windows 2.0b5, we\'ve added an&lt;br&gt;&gt; attribute to A called SUBJECT, which would be used with mailto: URLs for&lt;br&gt;&gt; just what you think it would be. It seems to me, though, that TITLE might&lt;br&gt;&gt; be suitable for use for this. Opinions on this? [...]','Re: METHODS and TITLE','Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:26:09 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=149577">Re: METHODS and TITLE</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:26:09 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">66 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Daniel Wood - FES OPS ~ wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Tom M. queried ...&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 2. In internal releases of Mosaic for Windows 2.0b5, we\'ve added an&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; attribute to A called SUBJECT, which would be used with mailto: URLs for&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; just what you think it would be. It seems to me, though, that TITLE might&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; be suitable for use for this. Opinions on this?&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; If there are strong negative feelings about the use of TITLE for this, how&lt;br&gt; [...]','Re: METHODS and TITLE','Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:42:01 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=150061">Re: METHODS and TITLE</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:42:01 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">46 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('There is a proposal for a \'mailserver:\' URL that would allow the&lt;br&gt;inclusion of message subject &amp; body.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ftp://nic.merit.edu/internet/documents/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-uri-url-mailserver-01.txt&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\'d prefer to see additional information about actions to be performed&lt;br&gt;by a link be incorporated in the syntax of links, so that links from&lt;br&gt;PDF and VRML would also have the same capabilities, if they\'re&lt;br&gt;necessary.','Re: METHODS and TITLE','Tue, 20 Jun 95 15:09:58 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=150699">Re: METHODS and TITLE</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Larry Masinter</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 15:09:58 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">23 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Daniel Wood - FES OPS ~ writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 2. In internal releases of Mosaic for Windows 2.0b5, we\'ve added an&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; attribute to A called SUBJECT, which would be used with mailto: URLs for&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; just what you think it would be. It seems to me, though, that TITLE might&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; be suitable for use for this. Opinions on this?&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; If there are strong negative feelings about the use of TITLE for this, how&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; do people feel about a SUBJECT attribute?&lt;br&gt;&gt; [...]','Re: METHODS and TITLE','Tue, 20 Jun 95 15:19:44 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=151293">Re: METHODS and TITLE</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 15:19:44 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Larry Masinter wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; There is a proposal for a \'mailserver:\' URL that would allow the&lt;br&gt;&gt; inclusion of message subject &amp; body.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ftp://nic.merit.edu/internet/documents/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-uri-url-mailserver-01.txt&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, there are surely more general approaches then inventing yet another&lt;br&gt;encoding scheme for this particular url. Surely, it would be better to&lt;br&gt;specify the subject etc as url-encoded as in a query url with two named&lt;br&gt;fields Subject= and Body=; require masking of %0a and %0d found in the&lt;br&gt;subject; skip the special new user of /. So as it stands, I don\'t&lt;br&gt;see much value in the [...]','Re: METHODS and TITLE','Tue, 20 Jun 95 15:53:52 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=151926">Re: METHODS and TITLE</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 15:53:52 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">40 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Murray Maloney writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; First, let me clarify to make sure we\'re all talking about&lt;br&gt;&gt; the same thing -- the TITLE attribute on the A and LINK elements.&lt;br&gt;&gt; Not the &lt;TITLE&gt; element which is displayed by most user agents.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The TITLE attribute is not displayed by any user agents that&lt;br&gt;&gt; I am aware of -- although I confess that I only use three or four.&lt;br&gt;&gt; SCO is planning to use the TITLE attribute value to display&lt;br&gt;&gt; it in the information area where the URL of a pointed-to anchor&lt;br&gt;&gt; is currently displayed. [...]','Re: METHODS and TITLE','Tue, 20 Jun 95 16:06:38 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=152743">Re: METHODS and TITLE</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 16:06:38 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">37 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('You could also use something like&lt;br&gt;mailto:user@host?subject=urlencoded-string&lt;br&gt;I suppose. Does that work for you?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It\'s not much more elegant than the others, but it seems more in the&lt;br&gt;spirit of a URL, and does at least imply that you could incolde a&lt;br&gt;fixed subject in a mailto URL, outside of Mosaic and HTML.','Re: METHODS and TITLE','Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:21:24 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=153424">Re: METHODS and TITLE</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:21:24 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">19 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="60"></a><a href="#60">More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I asked a few members of the web consortium staff, and I got very&lt;br&gt;strong feedback from folks with generally solid technical backgrounds&lt;br&gt;who were somewhat new to the HTML spec that the spec is incomplete: it&lt;br&gt;defers too much to the SGML spec, especailly on lexical issues:&lt;br&gt;delimiter recognition, tag ommission, treatment of whitespace; that&lt;br&gt;sort of thing. The bottom line is: you can\'t pick up the HTML spec and&lt;br&gt;write an HTML parser without becoming an SGML priest. [...]','More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 08:44:20 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=90817">More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 08:44:20 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">34 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;But I think it has finally sunk in: the stuff about &quot;tokenization&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;needs to be expanded to be as detailed as a lex specification.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;So, barring objections from this working group, I\'m going to make&lt;br&gt;&gt;another revision to address this issue. I expect it will take a week&lt;br&gt;&gt;to write and a week to review. So the target would be June 26 or so. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:01:28 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=91475">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:01:28 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">44 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[log in to unmask] (Eric W. Sink) said:&lt;br&gt;&gt; If the W3C folk think we need more written material on lexical issues with&lt;br&gt;&gt; HTML, then let them write it up. Have them join the WG and we can work with&lt;br&gt;&gt; them on it as another followup document to the main RFC.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How about (Dan) producing a (draft) informational RFC that describes&lt;br&gt;the tokenization of SGML/HTML? A separate document would provide the&lt;br&gt;desired documentation but would not impede the standardization of HTML&lt;br&gt;2.0. Adding more wording to a document that required a lot of time to&lt;br&gt;reach rough consensus would further delay [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:15:29 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=91996">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dave Kristol</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:15:29 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 08:44:07 EDT&lt;br&gt;From: &quot;Daniel W. Connolly&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[the current draft] defers too much to the SGML spec&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;the stuff about &quot;tokenization&quot; needs to be expanded&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\'m very glad that you\'ve agreed to do this, even with a delay in the&lt;br&gt;resulting document. It is very much needed by folks who don\'t have&lt;br&gt;a copy of the SGML Handbook or of ISO 8879. However, I would urge&lt;br&gt;you to take care not to reinterpret the text of 8879 in your expansion. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:21:49 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=92768">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:21:49 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">56 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I must agree with Eric. If we are creating a profile of SGML, deferring to&lt;br&gt;in the spec is both appropriate and necessary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It may well be worth to time to write up an &quot;HTML implementors guide&quot;&lt;br&gt;containing many of the discussions we\'ve had here, ranging from lexical details&lt;br&gt;to error handling, but that\'s a different task than getting the current&lt;br&gt;spec out the door. We\'re already falling rapidly behind reality, and we&lt;br&gt;can\'t do much on a 2.1 or 3.0 until we get this off our plate. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:25:55 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=93435">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Amanda Walker</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:25:55 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">23 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I do not think syntax details would be relevant here. If you say that HTML&lt;br&gt;is an application of SGML then you constrain yourself to the syntactical&lt;br&gt;and lexical constructs of SGML.&lt;br&gt;As for people who would like to write HTML parsers, I don\'t think you have&lt;br&gt;to do that. The reason is that there are now at least 4 SGML parsers in&lt;br&gt;the public domain that you can use. The reason for using an SGML parser is&lt;br&gt;that it will be a lot easier to adapt to any changes made to the HTML DTD&lt;br&gt;and you will not have [...]','Re:More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:54:07 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=94107">Re:More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Christophe ESPERT</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 10:54:07 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">49 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;But I think it has finally sunk in: the stuff about &quot;tokenization&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;needs to be expanded to be as detailed as a lex specification.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How far will you go? If you go all the way, most people will be&lt;br&gt;equally inable to implement the HTML spec...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are a lot of hairy details that require being an &quot;SGML priest&quot;&lt;br&gt;(thought I\'d go for &quot;adept&quot; myself), and just skimming over them at&lt;br&gt;the moment, will only hide the fundamental fact that HTML is but one&lt;br&gt;of many SGML applications.','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:10:31 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=94812">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Gavin Nicol</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:10:31 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">21 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I concur with Eric. We need this spec done yesterday. There is no&lt;br&gt;end of details about SGML that could be explained (Glenn gives a&lt;br&gt;short list), but this spec is not the place to do it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The SGML Handbook is over 660 pages long ...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards,','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:23:06 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=95462">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:23:06 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, &quot;Terry Allen&quot; writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;I concur with Eric. We need this spec done yesterday. There is no&lt;br&gt;&gt;end of details about SGML that could be explained (Glenn gives a&lt;br&gt;&gt;short list), but this spec is not the place to do it.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;The SGML Handbook is over 660 pages long ...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nonetheless, HTML parsers are on the order of 1000 lines of C code.&lt;br&gt;An annotated source listing of an HTML parser wouldn\'t be nearly 660&lt;br&gt;pages. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 12:24:33 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=95872">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 12:24:33 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Daniel W. Connolly &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; I asked a few members of the web consortium staff, and I got very&lt;br&gt;&gt; strong feedback from folks with generally solid technical backgrounds&lt;br&gt;&gt; who were somewhat new to the HTML spec that the spec is incomplete: it&lt;br&gt;&gt; defers too much to the SGML spec, especailly on lexical issues:&lt;br&gt;&gt; [...]&lt;br&gt;&gt; The bottom line is: you can\'t pick up the HTML spec and&lt;br&gt;&gt; write an HTML parser without becoming an SGML priest. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 12:50:19 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=96531">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 12:50:19 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">62 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; I guess I\'ll defer this work -- put it in an &quot;HTML implementors guide&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; as suggested (and as I started back in Jan of 1992).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks. I think an implementor\'s guide would be a very good thing to have.&lt;br&gt;Clearly, we\'ve got a nice spread of implementation experience gathered&lt;br&gt;together here, with a lot of good tips on what works, what doesn\'t, what&lt;br&gt;to watch out for, and what to avoid. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 12:56:48 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=97174">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Amanda Walker</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 12:56:48 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">22 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; &gt; I guess I\'ll defer this work -- put it in an &quot;HTML implementors guide&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; as suggested (and as I started back in Jan of 1992).&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Thanks. I think an implementor\'s guide would be a very good thing to have.&lt;br&gt;&gt; Clearly, we\'ve got a nice spread of implementation experience gathered&lt;br&gt;&gt; together here, with a lot of good tips on what works, what doesn\'t, what&lt;br&gt;&gt; to watch out for, and what to avoid. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 13:17:56 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=97748">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tim Pierce</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 13:17:56 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I note that Dan has already acknowledged group concensus (which I too&lt;br&gt;support). I would like to comment on Christophe\'s agrument ...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Christophe ESPERT wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[...]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; It would really be a loss of time to rewrite all that is already in the&lt;br&gt;&gt; SGML standard regarding lexical and syntactical issues and also a loss of&lt;br&gt;&gt; time to write HTML parsers. It is easier to learn how to use an already&lt;br&gt;&gt; existing API to an SGML parser. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 17:16:44 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=101169">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 17:16:44 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dave Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;FINALLY ... a small change to the HTML 2.0 draft ... it seems to&lt;br&gt;me that a critical element missing is a formal specification of&lt;br&gt;exactly where the DTD should be obtained from when it IS specified&lt;br&gt;with an HTML document. This requires a network oriented solution&lt;br&gt;such that an SGML user agent which wants to use the DTD to control&lt;br&gt;parsing of the HTML document can find the thing without magic. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:14:59 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=104578">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:14:59 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">40 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;At this stage, with only the one DTD, we could assume that it is&lt;br&gt;&gt;generally known (and indeed hardwired into UAs). On the other hand,&lt;br&gt;&gt;we still haven\'t resolved (ahem) how the DTD itself is to be made&lt;br&gt;&gt;available (the copy in the RFC is broken by the formatting). Is this&lt;br&gt;&gt;something W3O would like to take on? [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:28:35 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=105859">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tom Magliery</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:28:35 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">27 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Terry Allen wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Dave Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; available (the copy in the RFC is broken by the formatting). Is this&lt;br&gt;&gt; something W3O would like to take on?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I fear it has to be something like the IETF RFC archives ... is there&lt;br&gt;precedent for pure reference data?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I think the network solution would then be to supply a URL; when&lt;br&gt;&gt; URNs are deployed we can figure out how the PI of the DTD can be&lt;br&gt;&gt; made into a URN. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:27:23 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=106347">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:27:23 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">32 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I asked a few members of the web consortium staff, and I got very&lt;br&gt;strong feedback from folks with generally solid technical backgrounds&lt;br&gt;who were somewhat new to the HTML spec that the spec is incomplete: it&lt;br&gt;defers too much to the SGML spec, especailly on lexical issues:&lt;br&gt;delimiter recognition, tag ommission, treatment of whitespace; that&lt;br&gt;sort of thing. The bottom line is: you can\'t pick up the HTML spec and&lt;br&gt;write an HTML parser without becoming an SGML priest. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:01:38 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=107514">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:01:38 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">67 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Tim Pierce writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That makes sense. Although the objections to expanding on SGML&lt;br&gt;syntax make sense to me intellectually, I get a real screaming&lt;br&gt;horror at the idea of describing HTML in terms of a standard whose&lt;br&gt;definition is not as freely available as an RFC or IETF draft. If&lt;br&gt;we want to encourage people to write conforming clients, we must&lt;br&gt;make the standard (or at least the implementation guidelines) as&lt;br&gt;straightforward as possible. Otherwise, people won\'t bother and&lt;br&gt;will get it all wrong. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:25:36 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=110032">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:25:36 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; Tim Pierce writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; That makes sense. Although the objections to expanding on SGML&lt;br&gt;&gt; syntax make sense to me intellectually, I get a real screaming&lt;br&gt;&gt; horror at the idea of describing HTML in terms of a standard whose&lt;br&gt;&gt; definition is not as freely available as an RFC or IETF draft. If&lt;br&gt;&gt; we want to encourage people to write conforming clients, we must&lt;br&gt;&gt; make the standard (or at least the implementation guidelines) as&lt;br&gt;&gt; straightforward as possible. Otherwise, people won\'t bother and&lt;br&gt;&gt; will get it all wrong.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; So where do I [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:27:18 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=112208">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tim Pierce</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:27:18 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">36 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 07:24p 06/14/95, Peter Flynn wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Tim Pierce writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; That makes sense. Although the objections to expanding on SGML&lt;br&gt;&gt; syntax make sense to me intellectually, I get a real screaming&lt;br&gt;&gt; horror at the idea of describing HTML in terms of a standard whose&lt;br&gt;&gt; definition is not as freely available as an RFC or IETF draft. If&lt;br&gt;&gt; we want to encourage people to write conforming clients, we must&lt;br&gt;&gt; make the standard (or at least the implementation guidelines) as&lt;br&gt;&gt; straightforward as possible. Otherwise, people won\'t bother and&lt;br&gt;&gt; will get it all wrong.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt; [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Wed, 14 Jun 95 22:58:07 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=115203">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Walter Ian Kaye</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 22:58:07 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">49 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Larry Masinter sent this to me as a followup of the mail I posted with&lt;br&gt;a list of SGML parsers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; This list of SGML parsers would be a good addendum to a HTML&lt;br&gt;&gt; implementor\'s guide.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it makes sense. Very good suggestion.&lt;br&gt;Regards,&lt;br&gt;Christophe','Re: Re:More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 03:20:24 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=116725">Re: Re:More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Christophe ESPERT</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 03:20:24 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">32 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; 14 Jun 95 17:16:25, [log in to unmask] wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The very real problem with re-use is that many commercial developers&lt;br&gt;&gt; cannot take the risk associated with using public domain code. In&lt;br&gt;&gt; general, when code is placed in the public domain or made \'freely\'&lt;br&gt;&gt; usable, no-one actually assumes responsiblity for certification that&lt;br&gt;&gt; there are no encumberances on the code. That leaves anyone who&lt;br&gt;&gt; contaminates their development process by use of such code exposed&lt;br&gt;&gt; if there is a subsequent claim against the code. [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 03:39:57 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=117183">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Christophe ESPERT</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 03:39:57 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">60 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Terry Allen writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Dave Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;FINALLY ... a small change to the HTML 2.0 draft ... it seems to&lt;br&gt;&gt; me that a critical element missing is a formal specification of&lt;br&gt;&gt; exactly where the DTD should be obtained from when it IS specified&lt;br&gt;&gt; with an HTML document. This requires a network oriented solution&lt;br&gt;&gt; such that an SGML user agent which wants to use the DTD to control&lt;br&gt;&gt; parsing of the HTML document can find the thing without magic.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; At this stage, with only the one DTD, we could assume that it [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 04:27:55 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=118680">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 04:27:55 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">38 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:00:22 EDT&lt;br&gt;From: Peter Flynn &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By the same token, an HTML parser _is_ an SGML parser...and there is code&lt;br&gt;already available in the public domain to do this...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That sounds like wishful thinking to me. Or, how shall I say it, &quot;not by&lt;br&gt;a country mile&quot;. None of the current widely deployed HTML user agents even&lt;br&gt;come close to a minimum level of conformance. Just take SHORTTAG for&lt;br&gt;instance... [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 09:42:22 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=120719">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 09:42:22 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Peter Flynn &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Terry Allen writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Dave Morris writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;FINALLY ... a small change to the HTML 2.0 draft ... it seems to&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; me that a critical element missing is a formal specification of&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; exactly where the DTD should be obtained from when it IS specified&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; with an HTML document. This requires a network oriented solution&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; such that an SGML user agent which wants to use the DTD to control&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; parsing of the HTML document can find the thing without magic.&lt;br&gt;[...] [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:15:46 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=123762">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:15:46 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">58 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; This looks like a prima facie case for &lt;link rev=&quot;dtd&quot; href=&quot;...&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That won\'t work -- an SGML parser can\'t resolve the &lt;LINK&gt;&lt;br&gt;until it parses the &lt;HEAD&gt;, which it can\'t do until it&lt;br&gt;has the DTD.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;True. But in reality, a UA (which we can assume for the moment has a&lt;br&gt;limited parsing ability built in, based on HTML 2.0) can identify the&lt;br&gt;DTD this way and simply go back 2-3 lines and re-run if a kosher DTD&lt;br&gt;ref is found :-) [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Sun, 18 Jun 95 21:26:53 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=141793">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 18 Jun 95 21:26:53 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">41 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Peter Flynn writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;[...]&lt;br&gt;&gt; One approach is to use a URI for the DTD\'s system identifier:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;!DOCTYPE HTML SYSTEM &quot;http://www.w3.org/pubtext/html-4.dtd&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; It\'s better to use a PUBLIC identifier, but there is (so far)&lt;br&gt;&gt; no way to automatically resolve them.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I thought the whole point of a PUBLIC indentifier was that there _was_&lt;br&gt;&gt; a way to resolve them: there has been discussion of this in c.t.s,&lt;br&gt;&gt; sgml-l, tei-l etc on and off for some time, and I thought someone&lt;br&gt;&gt; (Eliot Kimber?) posted examples of what directories/folders [...]','Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Tue, 20 Jun 95 10:02:04 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=145673">Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jun 95 10:02:04 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">44 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="61"></a><a href="#61">netscapism quote</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I have been notified that Dan Connolly quotes my current signature in a&lt;br&gt;message to this list &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; without giving me&lt;br&gt;credit for it. I\'m of course happy that people are finding it worthy of&lt;br&gt;quoting elsewhere, but I wrote this, and would like to be associated with&lt;br&gt;it wherever it appears. I have received a number of requests for use from&lt;br&gt;people who ask me where I got it, and I have been glad to give permission&lt;br&gt;to use it as well as state clearly that it is indeed my original work. [...]','netscapism quote','Sun, 25 Jun 95 03:12:55 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=172724">netscapism quote</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Erik Naggum</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 25 Jun 95 03:12:55 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Erik Naggum writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;I have been notified that Dan Connolly quotes my current signature in a&lt;br&gt;&gt;message to this list &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; without giving me&lt;br&gt;&gt;credit for it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This caught me off guard. Then I saw this:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, [log in to unmask] writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;NETSCAPISM /net-\'sca-,pi-z*m/ n (1995): habitual diversion of the mind to&lt;br&gt;&gt; purely imaginative activity or entertainment as an escape from the&lt;br&gt;&gt; realization that the Internet was built by and for someone else. [...]','Re: netscapism quote','Sun, 25 Jun 95 20:20:17 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=174334">Re: netscapism quote</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 25 Jun 95 20:20:17 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">52 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Sun, 25 Jun 1995, Daniel W. Connolly wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; I don\'t recall writing this. Then I saw this in the headers:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Received: from www10.w3.org (www10.w3.org [18.23.0.20]) by beach.w3.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA25594 for &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:13:53 -0400&lt;br&gt;&gt; Received: from fssun09.dev.oclc.org by www10.w3.org (5.0/NSCS-1.0S)&lt;br&gt;&gt; id AA00600; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:13:52 +0500&lt;br&gt;&gt; Received: from (localhost.dev.oclc.org) by fssun09.dev.oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1)&lt;br&gt;&gt; id AA29920; Sat, 24 Jun 95 14:03:03 EDT&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; So this message supposedly left beach.w3.org on saturday. I wasn\'t&lt;br&gt;&gt; in on saturday. [...]','Re: netscapism quote','Sun, 25 Jun 95 20:53:47 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=175083">Re: netscapism quote</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Brian Behlendorf</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 25 Jun 95 20:53:47 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">43 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; 25 Jun 95 03:12:48, [log in to unmask] wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I have been notified that Dan Connolly quotes my current signature in a&lt;br&gt;&gt; message to this list &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; without giving me&lt;br&gt;&gt; credit for it. I\'m of course happy that people are finding it worthy of&lt;br&gt;&gt; ....&lt;br&gt;&gt; thanks for listening, and for respecting the right of an author to be named&lt;br&gt;&gt; the author also in electronic information. it\'s the only right we have&lt;br&gt;&gt; left that new technology never was an excuse not to honor.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; #&lt;Erik 3013053085&gt; [...]','Re:netscapism quote','Mon, 26 Jun 95 06:09:30 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=175878">Re:netscapism quote</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel Glazman</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 26 Jun 95 06:09:30 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">42 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[Daniel Glazman]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;| Wherever you post, you post some day something unpleasant. And&lt;br&gt;| occasionnally VERY unpleasant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;it is a little hard to see what this means. are you saying that wherever I&lt;br&gt;post, there will at one time or another be an unpleasant article from me,&lt;br&gt;or are you saying that I only post unpleasant articles? I don\'t know about&lt;br&gt;the former. most of fora in which I write are not subjected to people who&lt;br&gt;do things I find offensive. in this particular case, it was offensive to&lt;br&gt;both Dan _and_ me, as it turned out. further, I don\'t [...]','Re: netscapism quote','Mon, 26 Jun 95 08:38:44 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=177246">Re: netscapism quote</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Erik Naggum</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 26 Jun 95 08:38:44 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">68 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Further discussion of this matter should be taken offline.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stuart Weibel&lt;br&gt;HTML-Wg list maintainer','Re: netscapism quote','Mon, 26 Jun 95 08:48:20 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=177962">Re: netscapism quote</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 26 Jun 95 08:48:20 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">18 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="62"></a><a href="#62">Null partial URLs with fragment IDs: spec vs behavior!</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hi!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In putting together an application using forms functionality, I have recently&lt;br&gt;come accross viewer behavior which I did not expect and I would like to share&lt;br&gt;this with the group.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Our forms are often larger than the usual viewer window so it seemed a good&lt;br&gt;idea to exploit null partial URLs with fragment identifiers for implementing&lt;br&gt;local direct access to various parts of the form. In our case, filling-in the&lt;br&gt;form is not necessarily a sequential process i.e. some form elements might be&lt;br&gt;skipped over and filled in later by following one of the local links. [...]','Null partial URLs with fragment IDs: spec vs behavior!','Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:54:53 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=87955">Null partial URLs with fragment IDs: spec vs behavior!</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Pierre Desjardins</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:54:53 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">51 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="63"></a><a href="#63">Numeric char references</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I would find it useful if the DTD included the ISO10646 character number for&lt;br&gt;character entities as part of the comment field. For example I\'m unsure if&lt;br&gt;there are 10646 character numbers for these entities:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ENTITY nbsp SDATA &quot;[nbsp ]&quot; -- non breaking space --&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ENTITY shy SDATA &quot;[shy ]&quot; -- soft hyphen --&gt; [...]','Numeric char references','Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:03:03 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=63228">Numeric char references</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:03:03 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">21 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, [log in to unmask] writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;I would find it useful if the DTD included the ISO10646 character number for&lt;br&gt;&gt;character entities as part of the comment field. For example I\'m unsure if&lt;br&gt;&gt;there are 10646 character numbers for these entities:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;!ENTITY nbsp SDATA &quot;[nbsp ]&quot; -- non breaking space --&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;!ENTITY shy SDATA &quot;[shy ]&quot; -- soft hyphen --&gt; [...]','Re: Numeric char references','Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:37:03 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=63683">Re: Numeric char references</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:37:03 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">34 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('As I noted in a message last week, the character entity names&lt;br&gt;&quot;umlaut&quot;, &quot;macron&quot;, and &quot;cedilla&quot; that appear in the Proposed Entities&lt;br&gt;section are not the names that appear in the appendices to ISO 8879&lt;br&gt;from which all the rest of the names are derived. The names given&lt;br&gt;there are &quot;uml&quot;, &quot;macr&quot;, and &quot;cedil&quot;, and the corresponding lines in&lt;br&gt;the list should read as follows: [...]','Re: Numeric char references','Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:42:24 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=64789">Re: Numeric char references</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:42:24 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[Jon Smirl:]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;| I would find it useful if the DTD included the ISO10646 character number for&lt;br&gt;| character entities as part of the comment field. For example I\'m unsure if&lt;br&gt;| there are 10646 character numbers for these entities:&lt;br&gt;|&lt;br&gt;| &lt;!ENTITY nbsp SDATA &quot;[nbsp ]&quot; -- non breaking space --&gt;&lt;br&gt;| &lt;!ENTITY shy SDATA &quot;[shy ]&quot; -- soft hyphen --&gt; [...]','Re: Numeric char references','Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:52:15 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=65321">Re: Numeric char references</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:52:15 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">138 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Jon (B) writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I proposed last week that we include a complete list, in numeric&lt;br&gt;order, of the entire Latin-1 character set from 160 through 255&lt;br&gt;standardized by ISO 8859-1. It has been decided (for good reasons&lt;br&gt;that I don\'t completely agree with but do understand) not to include&lt;br&gt;that list, but I think that anyone who needs to ask this kind of&lt;br&gt;question should keep a copy of it handy for reference purposes. I&lt;br&gt;append a copy below. Note that these entity names are taken from the&lt;br&gt;appendices to ISO 8879 and that three of them (uml, macr, and [...]','Re: Numeric char references','Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:47:15 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=74502">Re: Numeric char references</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:47:15 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Jon_Bo&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask] writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;I proposed last week that we include a complete list, in numeric&lt;br&gt;&gt;order, of the entire Latin-1 character set from 160 through 255&lt;br&gt;&gt;standardized by ISO 8859-1. It has been decided (for good reasons&lt;br&gt;&gt;that I don\'t completely agree with but do understand) not to include&lt;br&gt;&gt;that list,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Er... sorry. I must have been sleeping. This is a great list.&lt;br&gt;I just pasted it in place of the list that was in the &quot;proposed elements&quot;&lt;br&gt;section. [...]','Re: Numeric char references','Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:54:11 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=79133">Re: Numeric char references</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:54:11 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Peter Flynn writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Can I ask the charset gureaux...&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; a. do you (we) have any proposed behavior for a client if it finds&lt;br&gt;&gt; raw characters in the range 128-159?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don\'t believe the ISO-8859-1 character encoding scheme allows for&lt;br&gt;octets in that range. So you\'ve got a broken MIME message entity. The&lt;br&gt;behaviour of an HTML user agent upon seeing such a message entity&lt;br&gt;is unspecified. (see recent discussions on www-talk for evidence that&lt;br&gt;in fact different browsers do it differently on different platforms.) [...]','Re: Numeric char references','Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:47:39 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=81468">Re: Numeric char references</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:47:39 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">56 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Peter Flynn writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Can I ask the charset gureaux...&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; a. do you (we) have any proposed behavior for a client if it finds&lt;br&gt;&gt; raw characters in the range 128-159?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; b. or if it finds something like &amp;#153; ?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think we don\'t have, and we shouldn\'t, as for the other cases, with&lt;br&gt;largely the same arguments. However, the difference is that these&lt;br&gt;positions are undefined and will remain undefined, so an advisable&lt;br&gt;reaction of a browser would be to show an error message. If all the&lt;br&gt;browsers do this, the document writers will discover their [...]','Re: Numeric char references','Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:48:17 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=83598">Re: Numeric char references</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Martin J Duerst</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:48:17 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">43 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="64"></a><a href="#64">Presentation methods/media types</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Continuing with Ka-Ping YEE\'s taxonomy:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. OUT-OF-BAND resource, EMBEDDED presentation&lt;br&gt;-- Today\'s &lt;FIG&gt; and &lt;IMG&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. OUT-OF-BAND resource, EXTERNAL presentation&lt;br&gt;-- Today\'s &lt;A HREF=...&gt;&lt;br&gt;3/4. IN-BAND resources.&lt;br&gt;-- This has the same problem that &lt;LISTING&gt; and &lt;XMP&gt; have.&lt;br&gt;If the language of the in-band resource doesn\'t follow SGML&lt;br&gt;rules, then the figure has to be CDATA -- which is nasty, evil,&lt;br&gt;and wicked. [...]','Re: Presentation methods/media types','Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:51:13 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=86653">Re: Presentation methods/media types</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:51:13 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">44 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; That in turn raises an alternative to in-band resources; retrieve a&lt;br&gt;&gt; multipart resource that contains all the resources required to display the&lt;br&gt;&gt; document; tag each resource within the multipart with a URN, and reference&lt;br&gt;&gt; them by URN from the `main\' document. The Enabled Mail model does&lt;br&gt;&gt; something similar for Safe-Tcl scripts; we could do worse than to&lt;br&gt;&gt; examine it closely. It\'s at&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;URI:http://minsky.med.virginia.edu/sdm7g/Projects/Python/safe-tcl/&gt; [...]','Re: Presentation methods/media types','Sat, 10 Jun 95 02:56:16 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=89661">Re: Presentation methods/media types</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Larry Masinter</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 10 Jun 95 02:56:16 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">22 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="65"></a><a href="#65">Presentation methods/media types (was: Java Applet element proposal)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[log in to unmask] wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Wait a minute here. I\'m not following, at all, why there\'s any need to&lt;br&gt;&gt; change HTML for applets. Even an unmodified HTML 2.0 can do them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Absolutely: although most browsers seem to assume that the SRC attribute&lt;br&gt;of an IMG tag always refers to a &quot;image/gif&quot; resource, effectively the&lt;br&gt;media type of the resource should not be known until the resource is&lt;br&gt;fetched; the &quot;Content-Type:&quot; header then determines the media type. [...]','Presentation methods/media types (was: Java Applet element proposal)','Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:49:40 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=76597">Presentation methods/media types (was: Java Applet element proposal)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ka-Ping Yee</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:49:40 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">151 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; So, i propose a more general approach to presentation of referenced&lt;br&gt;&gt; resources. As i see it, there are four presentation/retrieval&lt;br&gt;&gt; methods, only two of which we use extensively at the moment.&lt;br&gt;&gt; These are the four possible combinations of IN-BAND or OUT-OF-BAND&lt;br&gt;&gt; retrieval, and EMBEDDED or EXTERNAL presentation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It\'s hard to allow arbitrary IN-BAND data and remain compatible with&lt;br&gt;SGML; the IN-BAND representation would have to be massaged so that it&lt;br&gt;didn\'t contain anything that could be confused with SGML markup,&lt;br&gt;comments, etc. As your example shows, this might be handled with c-t-e&lt;br&gt;base64. However, it\'s [...]','Re: Presentation methods/media types (was: Java Applet element proposal)','Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:49:16 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=82230">Re: Presentation methods/media types (was: Java Applet element proposal)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Larry Masinter</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:49:16 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="66"></a><a href="#66">Q: Where to find DTDs referenced in HTML3 draft</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The HTML3 draft references several DTDs, for example concerning&lt;br&gt;entities used in math. Are these available and what is their location?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ciao Robert','Q: Where to find DTDs referenced in HTML3 draft','Sat, 3 Jun 95 15:24:03 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=50959">Q: Where to find DTDs referenced in HTML3 draft</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Robert Tolksdorf</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jun 95 15:24:03 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">22 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="67"></a><a href="#67">Re [LAST CALL]: progress on HTML 2.0 reconstruction</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[sigh...third try at a procedurally correct &quot;bug report&quot; :-]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I previously reported this problem in the HTML spec, on 27 Mar 1995&lt;br&gt;&lt;URL:http://www.acl.lanl.gov/HTML_WG/html-wg-95q1.messages/0828.html&gt;&lt;br&gt;although I don\'t have the original message-ID.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In Section 7.1.2 of draft-ietf-html-spec-03.txt (entitled &quot;Input&lt;br&gt;Field&quot;), the list of attributes of the INPUT element (ALIGN...VALUE)&lt;br&gt;is supposed to contain a sublist consisting of the possible values&lt;br&gt;of the TYPE attribute (CHECKBOX...TEXT). However, in the draft,&lt;br&gt;this nested list is still flattened into a single list. [...]','Re [LAST CALL]: progress on HTML 2.0 reconstruction','Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:36:07 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=11087">Re [LAST CALL]: progress on HTML 2.0 reconstruction</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Paul Burchard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:36:07 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">48 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="68"></a><a href="#68">RFC's In HTML Format</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 05:13 PM 5/30/95 -0700, [log in to unmask] wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;The ASCII versions would remain the official and reference version.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\'d be interested in the rationale for this. An html file can be read as&lt;br&gt;text, if one doesn\'t mind the tags. Maintaining both in parallel is a&lt;br&gt;significant burden on working groups.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;While the HTML version would almost certainly contain all of the words&lt;br&gt;&gt;that appear in the ASCII version, success at turning an HTML file into&lt;br&gt;&gt;something presentable as a text document is as yet less than universal. [...]','Re: RFC\'s In HTML Format','Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:53:14 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=87256">Re: RFC's In HTML Format</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Walt Houser</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jun 95 16:53:14 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="69"></a><a href="#69">Stockholm registration</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Friendly reminder,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Today is the last day to get the early registration discount for the&lt;br&gt;Stockholm IETF meeting.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/meetings/Stockholm.html','Stockholm registration','Fri, 16 Jun 95 08:21:54 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=132827">Stockholm registration</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 16 Jun 95 08:21:54 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="70"></a><a href="#70">Suggestion for HTML Text Format Elements</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('To: [log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dear HTML Working Group:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Having some experience with HTML formatting, and having read the 6/15 2.0&lt;br&gt;specs and the latest 3.0 specs, and not having found what I was looking&lt;br&gt;for, I would like to propose several new HTML text formatting elements&lt;br&gt;for your consideration.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At our company, we created (and still use daily) a formatting scheme&lt;br&gt;several years ago called LASERQ so we could have an easy way to format&lt;br&gt;laser-printer docs. This scheme (which predates Windows and HTML) is&lt;br&gt;based on the same principle; however, in addition to {B} for bold, .TAB,&lt;br&gt;{C} for center, and [...]','Suggestion for HTML Text Format Elements','Fri, 30 Jun 95 20:44:27 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=205509">Suggestion for HTML Text Format Elements</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">hshpcg</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 30 Jun 95 20:44:27 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">97 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="71"></a><a href="#71">tables, map pages</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Sorry if I\'m late, I\'m a new one.Could anyone explain me how to realize&lt;br&gt;tables, and expecially how to find the wright software for Mac to realize&lt;br&gt;map pages?','tables, map pages','Sat, 24 Jun 95 03:51:22 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=171809">tables, map pages</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 24 Jun 95 03:51:22 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">16 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Sorry if I\'m late. I\'m a new one. Could anyone explain me how to prepare&lt;br&gt;html-tables, and where to find the wright software for Macintosh to create&lt;br&gt;Map pages?','tables, map pages','Sat, 24 Jun 95 04:16:15 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=172109">tables, map pages</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 24 Jun 95 04:16:15 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">16 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="72"></a><a href="#72">TAGLVL</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dan,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In notice in the current SGML Declaration for 2.0 that you no longer&lt;br&gt;specify TAGLVL 100 as was previously the case; that means that we revert&lt;br&gt;to the reference quantity set with TAGLVL 24. Was this change&lt;br&gt;intentional?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards,&lt;br&gt;Glenn','TAGLVL','Mon, 5 Jun 95 15:48:36 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=59971">TAGLVL</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Adams</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jun 95 15:48:36 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">21 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="73"></a><a href="#73">unsanctioned drift</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('A small clarification... My use of the word &quot;unsanctioned&quot; was not&lt;br&gt;intended in a perjorative manner. In that we have no standard as yet,&lt;br&gt;all of HTML is unsanctioned. I certainly endorse the orderly evolution&lt;br&gt;of the language, and &quot;unsanctioned&quot; extensions are part of that&lt;br&gt;evolution. I am uncomfortable, however, with the notion that because&lt;br&gt;someone has used a tag in a particular way that is not widely employed,&lt;br&gt;we are nonetheless stuck with that particular instantiation. [...]','unsanctioned drift','Wed, 28 Jun 95 10:31:07 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=190631">unsanctioned drift</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jun 95 10:31:07 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="74"></a><a href="#74">Use of ALIGN attribute with ADDRESS (html 3.0)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('As a result of a discussion (&quot;Centering Text&quot;) in the c.i.w.authoring.html&lt;br&gt;Usenet newsgroup, it has been revealed that the ADDRESS element does not&lt;br&gt;support the ALIGN attribute.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;According to the March 28 draft &lt;URL:&lt;br&gt;http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/html3/CoverPage.html&gt;, the content&lt;br&gt;model for ADDRESS is &quot;P or %text&quot; (&lt;URL:&lt;br&gt;http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/html3/address.html&gt;. Since the ADDRESS&lt;br&gt;element is a peer of paragraphs and headings, and it\'s content model is P, it&lt;br&gt;seems to me that it should support the ALIGN attribute, to allow control over&lt;br&gt;the rendering of the content in a manner analogous to the control of&lt;br&gt;paragraphs and headings. [...]','Use of ALIGN attribute with ADDRESS (html 3.0)','Sun, 25 Jun 95 19:22:00 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=173395">Use of ALIGN attribute with ADDRESS (html 3.0)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">361 Lauritsen, x8379</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 25 Jun 95 19:22:00 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="75"></a><a href="#75">What happend to &lt;LINK NAME=&quot;...&quot; ... &gt;?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I just noticed -- actually Terry parsed one of my documents&lt;br&gt;and he got an error -- that the NAME attribute has been&lt;br&gt;removed from the &lt;LINK&gt; element in the HTML 2.0 spec.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What gives?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Murray','What happend to &amp;lt;LINK NAME=&amp;#34;...&amp;#34; ... &amp;gt;?','Thu, 29 Jun 95 20:50:12 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=205140">What happend to <LINK NAME="..." ... >?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jun 95 20:50:12 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="76"></a><a href="#76">Whence the HTML DTD [was] Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Joe English wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; SoftQuad Panorama has surely solved this problem;&lt;br&gt;&gt; can anyone comment? (I don\'t have a Windows box handy&lt;br&gt;&gt; so I\'ve been unable to read the Panorama docs.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;From memory ... as I understand it ... they have what they admit&lt;br&gt;is a less than optimal approach where they create a local look-aside&lt;br&gt;data base which relates DTD names to URLs for retrieving the DTD.&lt;br&gt;As I recall, the user may have to get involved the first time a new&lt;br&gt;DTD is encountered. This is a laudable pragmatic approach. I [...]','Whence the HTML DTD [was] Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Thu, 15 Jun 95 16:29:40 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=130106">Whence the HTML DTD [was] Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 15 Jun 95 16:29:40 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">47 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Joe English wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; SoftQuad Panorama has surely solved this problem;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; can anyone comment? (I don\'t have a Windows box handy&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; so I\'ve been unable to read the Panorama docs.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave Morris hazarded the following hazy recollection:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;From memory ... as I understand it ... they have what they admit&lt;br&gt;&gt; is a less than optimal approach where they create a local look-aside&lt;br&gt;&gt; data base which relates DTD names to URLs for retrieving the DTD.&lt;br&gt;&gt; As I recall, the user may have to get involved the [...]','Re: Whence the HTML DTD [was] Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Fri, 16 Jun 95 12:30:21 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=134468">Re: Whence the HTML DTD [was] Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 16 Jun 95 12:30:21 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">46 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Fri, 16 Jun 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; We use the SGML Open format for a mapping between an SGML&lt;br&gt;&gt; public identifier and a corresponding system identifier.&lt;br&gt;&gt; (it\'s a file called `catalog\')&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; [2] when Panorama receives an SGML document, it first checks to see if the&lt;br&gt;&gt; PUBLIC identifier is in the local CATALOG. If so, it uses the local DTD.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; If not, it looks for a remote `catalog\' file in the same directory as the&lt;br&gt;&gt; SGML file. If it finds one, the DTD and associated external entities can&lt;br&gt;&gt; be downloaded automatically, [...]','Re: Whence the HTML DTD [was] Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Fri, 16 Jun 95 13:55:48 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=138872">Re: Whence the HTML DTD [was] Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Morris</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 16 Jun 95 13:55:48 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">62 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 4:29 PM 6/15/95, David Morris wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;The archiving and accessiblity of DTDs associated with IETF&lt;br&gt;&gt;standards such as HTML should be as rigorous as the handling of&lt;br&gt;&gt;the standard itself.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Could this be as simple as getting the IESG to accept RFCxxxx.DTD as&lt;br&gt;&gt;the DTD associated with RFCxxxx ? Another approach would be for&lt;br&gt;&gt;the IESG/IETF to \'certify\' their WWW server as providing valid&lt;br&gt;&gt;copies of standards related materials (this may be already true)&lt;br&gt;&gt;and define a URL like:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; http://www.ietf.org/cgi-bin/htmldtd?type=TTTTTT&amp;id=IDIDIDIDID&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;where the htmldtd cgi program would expect PUBLIC or SYSTEM or&lt;br&gt;&gt;whatever for TTTTTT and [...]','Re: Whence the HTML DTD [was] Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?','Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:35:16 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=139637">Re: Whence the HTML DTD [was] Re: More syntax details in HTML 2.0?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Albert Lunde</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:35:16 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">51 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="77"></a><a href="#77">[[log in to unmask]: RFC1808 on Relative Uniform Resource Locators]</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('RFC 1808 can now be cited in the HTML document as a standards-track&lt;br&gt;specification for relative URLs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;RFC 1808:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Title: Relative Uniform Resource Locators&lt;br&gt;Author: R. Fielding&lt;br&gt;Date: June 1995&lt;br&gt;Mailbox: [log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;Pages: 16&lt;br&gt;Characters: 34,950&lt;br&gt;Updates/Obsoletes: none&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;URL: ftp://ds.internic.net/rfc/rfc1808.txt&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A Uniform Resource Locator (URL) is a compact representation of the&lt;br&gt;location and access method for a resource available via the Internet.&lt;br&gt;When embedded within a base document, a URL in its absolute form may&lt;br&gt;contain a great deal of information which is already known from the&lt;br&gt;context [...]','[[log in to unmask]: RFC1808 on Relative Uniform Resource Locators]','Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:03:21 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9506&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=103098">[[log in to unmask]: RFC1808 on Relative Uniform Resource Locators]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Larry Masinter</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:03:21 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" 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