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#PCDATA definition?? (4 messages)
<br> in <blockquote> (3 messages)
<No subject> (1 message)
<PLAINTEXT> clarification [Was: DTD Level 2 nit ] (1 message)
<pre> (4 messages)
Another mirror site for HTML 2 stuff (just in case) (1 message)
ASCII text version available (1 message)
Assumption: At the conference, you will be seeing the ASCII version (1 message)
Can't find <open-quote>, <close-quote> characters in spec (4 messages)
CENTER element [Was: Netscape & New HTML] (3 messages)
Deploying new versions [Was: Versioning HTML at the server] (4 messages)
Document available (Error in doc found) (2 messages)
Document available in HTML format, PostScript to come (4 messages)
DTD Level 2 nit (1 message)
Editorial comments for latest 2.0 spec (1 message)
Editorial comments on HTML 2.0 spec (2 messages)
Editorial comments on HTML 2.0 spec dated 14 Oct 94 (1 message)
Entities (1 message)
Errors in new HTML 2.0 spec related to FORMs (3 messages)
Flooding the mailing list (1 message)
FORM content in DTD (6 messages)
FORM content in DTD (Again) (4 messages)
Format Negociation in Practice [Was: Versioning HTML at the server] (3 messages)
HDL Proposal (1 message)
HDL Q&A (1 message)
Help getting back on www-html, please? (1 message)
how to get added (1 message)
HTML (8 messages)
HTML 2.0 October 14 release (1 message)
HTML validation (2 messages)
Interent-Draft CUTOFF Date (fwd) (1 message)
Meeting reminder (1 message)
META (1 message)
Missing acknowledgement info needed (1 message)
Monday (1 message)
Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (2 messages)
Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?) (6 messages)
Netscape's HTML extensions (comments solicited) (2 messages)
New (specific) suggestion for Monday time (4 messages)
non-alphabet characters (1 message)
OOPS! META got promoted; why did nbsp go away? (4 messages)
our ftp directory (1 message)
Partial URLs (2 messages)
Perceived Consensus: Murray's entity stuff goes in (9 messages)
Perceived Consensus: No ICADD in HTML 2.0 (2 messages)
Perceived Consensus: The META element stays in the Proposed section (3 messages)
Perceived Consensus: The overview and the DTD reference will stay (2 messages)
PostScript version available (1 message)
Question on attribute values (3 messages)
Reality Check for HTML 2 RFC (4 messages)
Room has been reserved (1 message)
Slight typo in new HTML 2.0 spec (1 message)
TEXTAREA line terminators: platform dependent? (3 messages)
The RFC will be really long (1 message)
This is our workplace (1 message)
Validation service does URLs, levels, and mcom DTD (1 message)
[[log in to unmask]: &cx; in HTML+ ?] (2 messages)

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#PCDATA definition??

Stan Newton

Wed, 26 Oct 94 21:34:12 EDT

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Re: #PCDATA definition??

Peter Flynn

Wed, 26 Oct 94 22:51:54 EDT

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Re: #PCDATA definition??

Daniel W. Connolly

Thu, 27 Oct 94 00:16:43 EDT

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Re: #PCDATA definition??

Peter Flynn

Thu, 27 Oct 94 04:55:17 EDT

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<br> in <blockquote>


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Peter Flynn

Sat, 29 Oct 94 22:24:09 EDT

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Earl Hood

Sun, 30 Oct 94 16:56:18 EST

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Peter Flynn

Mon, 31 Oct 94 16:20:39 EST

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Fred E Potts

Thu, 20 Oct 94 22:31:08 MST

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<PLAINTEXT> clarification [Was: DTD Level 2 nit ]

clarification [Was: DTD Level 2 nit ]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 05 Oct 1994 15:16:00 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">79 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="5"></a><a href="#5">&lt;pre&gt;</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, James Whitescarver writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;It is not clear to me that &lt;pre&gt; should ignore CR. I think this is a bug&lt;br&gt;&gt;in the our browsers. The intent of &lt;pre&gt; was that such things are NOT&lt;br&gt;&gt;ignored. The specs may be wrong too. :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This issue came up on the HTML Working group list. [...]','Re: &amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;','Thu, 06 Oct 1994 10:32:55 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=6482">Re: <pre></a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 06 Oct 1994 10:32:55 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, James Whitescarver writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;It is not clear to me that &lt;pre&gt; should ignore CR. I think this is a bug&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;in the our browsers. The intent of &lt;pre&gt; was that such things are NOT&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;ignored. The specs may be wrong too. :)&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; This issue came up on the HTML Working group list.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The current practice[1] is that the LF character is what matters.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The spec will say that CRLF is the correct way to break a line,&lt;br&gt;&gt; but it will encourage browser implementors to accept LF [...]','Re: &amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;','06 Oct 1994 16:45:08 +0100 (BST)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=8697">Re: <pre></a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">06 Oct 1994 16:45:08 +0100 (BST)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Peter Flynn writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; The spec will say that CRLF is the correct way to break a line,&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; but it will encourage browser implementors to accept LF alone&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; as a linebreak, and caution authors and editor implementors&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; that CR alone will _not_ work. (right, Mike?)&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;This sounds correct, but does this imply that incautious Mac users who&lt;br&gt;&gt;make files containing plain ASCII text for PRE will have to insert LFs? [...]','Re: &amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;','Thu, 06 Oct 1994 17:08:39 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=9384">Re: <pre></a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 06 Oct 1994 17:08:39 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; &gt;This sounds correct, but does this imply that incautious Mac users who&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;make files containing plain ASCII text for PRE will have to insert LFs?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The way I understand it, this is the way it works today (see the&lt;br&gt;&gt; results of Corprew Reed\'s testing[1]). I see no reason to change it. [...]','Re: &amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;','07 Oct 1994 22:48:29 +0100 (BST)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=18593">Re: <pre></a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">07 Oct 1994 22:48:29 +0100 (BST)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">23 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="6"></a><a href="#6">Another mirror site for HTML 2 stuff (just in case)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The HTML2 spec (including PS version, tar file, and untarred hypertext)&lt;br&gt;are now also available at&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/html/&lt;br&gt;and ftp://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/html/&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;......Roy Fielding ICS Grad Student, University of California, Irvine USA&lt;br&gt;&lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;URL:http://www.ics.uci.edu/dir/grad/Software/fielding&gt;','Another mirror site for HTML 2 stuff (just in case)','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:07:38 -0700')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=35427">Another mirror site for HTML 2 stuff (just in case)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Roy T. Fielding</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:07:38 -0700</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">20 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="7"></a><a href="#7">ASCII text version available</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Well, in our time zone there are 15 minutes of business hours left before&lt;br&gt;the conference. Plenty o\' time!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ftp spyglass.com&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;cd pub/.export/html2&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;bin&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;get html2.txt.Z&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;quit&lt;br&gt;----&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You\'ll get a paper copy of this Monday. We\'re not promising it\'s&lt;br&gt;perfect, but it\'s something to work with during the meeting.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Several people have posted errors found in the versions I released&lt;br&gt;earlier today. In general, those errors are not fixed in this ASCII&lt;br&gt;version, but we\'re taking steps to make sure that they don\'t get lost.','ASCII text version available','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:50:06 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=41057">ASCII text version available</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:50:06 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="8"></a><a href="#8">Assumption: At the conference, you will be seeing the ASCII version</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('As promised before, the draft HTML 2.0 spec will be available for you to&lt;br&gt;transfer over the Internet shortly before the weekend before the conference.&lt;br&gt;Our primary focus is on the ASCII version (for RFC-ness), but we will try to&lt;br&gt;make a PostScript version available as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I will bring printed copies of the spec with me to the meeting on that&lt;br&gt;Monday, and those copies will be the ASCII version. [...]','Assumption: At the conference, you will be seeing the ASCII version','Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:34:19 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=13062">Assumption: At the conference, you will be seeing the ASCII version</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:34:19 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">32 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="9"></a><a href="#9">Can't find &lt;open-quote&gt;, &lt;close-quote&gt; characters in spec</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hi!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What are your (our) plans for the following special characters:&lt;br&gt;&lt;open-single-quote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;close-single-quote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;open-double-quote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;close-double-quote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can\'t seem to find them in the spec; they would come in handy in making&lt;br&gt;much text look a tad prettier. I know, I know, this might well fall in as&lt;br&gt;an extension rather than a clarification. Would be nice though.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Martin&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Martin Haeberli&lt;br&gt;Internet Wizard&lt;br&gt;Apple Computer, Inc. MS 301-3E&lt;br&gt;1 Infinite Loop&lt;br&gt;Cupertino, CA 95014&lt;br&gt;(408) 974-8562&lt;br&gt;(408) 862-6430 (fax)&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask]','Can\'t find &amp;lt;open-quote&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;close-quote&amp;gt; characters in spec','Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:58:18 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=61405">Can't find <open-quote>, <close-quote> characters in spec</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Martin Haeberli</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:58:18 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">40 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;v02110101aad31c3c9317@[17.255.31.200]&gt;, Martin Haeberli writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Hi!&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;What are your (our) plans for the following special characters:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;open-single-quote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;close-single-quote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;open-double-quote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;close-double-quote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I can\'t seem to find them in the spec; they would come in handy in making&lt;br&gt;&gt;much text look a tad prettier. I know, I know, this might well fall in as&lt;br&gt;&gt;an extension rather than a clarification. Would be nice though. [...]','Re: Can\'t find &amp;lt;open-quote&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;close-quote&amp;gt; characters in spec','Tue, 25 Oct 94 17:30:38 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=62277">Re: Can't find <open-quote>, <close-quote> characters in spec</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 25 Oct 94 17:30:38 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">67 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('What are your (our) plans for the following special characters:&lt;br&gt;&lt;open-single-quote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;close-single-quote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;open-double-quote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;close-double-quote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These are in the following character entity files:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ISOnum:&lt;!ENTITY quot SDATA &quot;[quot ]&quot;--=quotation mark--&gt;&lt;br&gt;ISOnum:&lt;!ENTITY laquo SDATA &quot;[laquo ]&quot;--=angle quotation mark, left--&gt;&lt;br&gt;ISOnum:&lt;!ENTITY raquo SDATA &quot;[raquo ]&quot;--=angle quotation mark, right--&gt;&lt;br&gt;ISOnum:&lt;!ENTITY lsquo SDATA &quot;[lsquo ]&quot;--=single quotation mark, left--&gt;&lt;br&gt;ISOnum:&lt;!ENTITY rsquo SDATA &quot;[rsquo ]&quot;--=single quotation mark, right--&gt;&lt;br&gt;ISOnum:&lt;!ENTITY ldquo SDATA &quot;[ldquo ]&quot;--=double quotation mark, left--&gt;&lt;br&gt;ISOnum:&lt;!ENTITY rdquo SDATA &quot;[rdquo ]&quot;--=double quotation mark, right--&gt;&lt;br&gt;ISOpub:&lt;!ENTITY lsquor SDATA &quot;[lsquor]&quot;--=rising single quote, left (low)--&gt;&lt;br&gt;ISOpub:&lt;!ENTITY ldquor SDATA &quot;[ldquor]&quot;--=rising dbl quote, left (low)--&gt;&lt;br&gt;ISOpub:&lt;!ENTITY rdquor SDATA &quot;[rdquor]&quot;--rising dbl quote, right (high)--&gt;&lt;br&gt; [...]','Re: Can\'t find &amp;lt;open-quote&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;close-quote&amp;gt; characters in spec','Tue, 25 Oct 94 21:27:27 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=62960">Re: Can't find <open-quote>, <close-quote> characters in spec</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 25 Oct 94 21:27:27 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">35 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Where did we get to with a decision or not to support character entity&lt;br&gt;sets beyond ISOlat1 in HTML3?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These entity names are not defined in HTML 2.0. If we intend to&lt;br&gt;expand the character set of HTML to include such characters, it&lt;br&gt;makes sense to include the entities. But if we\'re just going&lt;br&gt;to map these names in to ISO8859-1 text strings, then I\'d rather&lt;br&gt;not bother. I\'d rather see folks write: [...]','Re: Can\'t find &amp;lt;open-quote&amp;gt;, &amp;lt;close-quote&amp;gt; characters in spec','Tue, 25 Oct 94 21:34:32 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=64124">Re: Can't find <open-quote>, <close-quote> characters in spec</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 25 Oct 94 21:34:32 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">34 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="10"></a><a href="#10">CENTER element [Was: Netscape &amp; New HTML]</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;In comp.infosystems.www.misc,&lt;br&gt;&gt;in article &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;,&lt;br&gt;&gt;[log in to unmask] (Marc Andreessen) wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;====&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;PROPOSAL:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; That a CENTER element (described below) be added to&lt;br&gt;&gt; the next revision of the HTML standard.&lt;br&gt;[...]&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;SUGGESTED RENDERING:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; CENTER implies a line break before and after the element.&lt;br&gt;[...]&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;IMPACT ON EXISTING IMPLEMENTATIONS:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; None. Existing browsers can safely ignore the CENTER&lt;br&gt;&gt; start- and end- tags; the resulting display will&lt;br&gt;&gt; still be a correct rendering of the document content. [...]','Re: CENTER element [Was: Netscape &amp;amp; New HTML]','Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:22:08 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=55153">Re: CENTER element [Was: Netscape & New HTML]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:22:08 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">55 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dan Connoly writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Gee... this looks more and more like SDL all the time. I suppose&lt;br&gt;&gt; that\'s inevitable.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Dan&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For reference, a complete spec for SDL is available at&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ftp.ora.com:/pub/davenport/SDL','Re: CENTER element [Was: Netscape &amp;amp; New HTML]','Fri, 21 Oct 1994 16:41:01 -0400 (EDT)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=57623">Re: CENTER element [Was: Netscape & New HTML]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 21 Oct 1994 16:41:01 -0400 (EDT)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">37 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Daniel W. Connolly &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Joe English writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;SUGGESTED RENDERING:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; CENTER implies a line break before and after the element.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;IMPACT ON EXISTING IMPLEMENTATIONS:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; None. Existing browsers can safely ignore the CENTER&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; start- and end- tags; the resulting display will&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; still be a correct rendering of the document content.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; This looks contradictory to me.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; If a body writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;h1&gt; here\'s some stuff&lt;/h1&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;p&gt; normal para&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;center&gt; centered text&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; then today\'s browsers will blur the &quot;centered text&quot; [...]','Re: CENTER element [Was: Netscape &amp;amp; New HTML]','Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:45:50 -0700')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=58047">Re: CENTER element [Was: Netscape & New HTML]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:45:50 -0700</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">74 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="11"></a><a href="#11">Deploying new versions [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[sorry if this is a dup. Having address trouble...]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Chris Lilley, Computer Graphics U&lt;br&gt;nit writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; Tables are more like forms. The NCSA 2.5 browser should explicitly&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; Accept: text/html-ncsa-2.5 or some such, and there should be an easy&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; way for information providers to communicate to their server software&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; the fact that a given document has tables in it, like using a .thtml&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; extension. Granted, .thtml is a short-term hack that doesn\'t scale,&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; but it\'s better than breaking existing clients.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Does this mean that Arena should accept: text/html-ncsa-2.5 too,&lt;br&gt;&gt;becuase it [...]','Re: Deploying new versions [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]','Fri, 28 Oct 94 13:29:32 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=73725">Re: Deploying new versions [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 28 Oct 94 13:29:32 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">242 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I\'ll go along with almost everything you say; I want to point out that&lt;br&gt;you can use&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;text/x-html-tables&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;without registering anything or agreeing with anyone, but&lt;br&gt;text/html-with-tables&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;isn\'t allowable unless the type is registered, and I would expect some&lt;br&gt;objections to its registration.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;HTTP client/servers should be enhanced to allow version and level&lt;br&gt;attributes in its \'accept\' and content-type attributions, e.g., [...]','Re: Deploying new versions [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]','Fri, 28 Oct 94 17:08:25 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=74593">Re: Deploying new versions [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Larry Masinter</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 28 Oct 94 17:08:25 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">38 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Larry writes:&lt;br&gt;HTTP client/servers should be enhanced to allow version and level&lt;br&gt;attributes in its \'accept\' and content-type attributions, e.g.,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;text/html; level=3, version=2.0&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;may (or may not) be equivalent to:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;text/sgml; dtd=&quot;-//IETF//DTD HTML Level 3//EN//3.0&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;========&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I should think it must be equivalent, and as a detail that&lt;br&gt;the name of the attribute should be FPI (Formal Public&lt;br&gt;Identifier). Of course there\'s the complication of those&lt;br&gt;Recommended and Deprecated sections. Dan?','Re: Deploying new versions [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]','Fri, 28 Oct 94 17:33:09 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=75255">Re: Deploying new versions [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Terry Allen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 28 Oct 94 17:33:09 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">34 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;199410282132.OAA11203@rock&gt;, Terry Allen writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Larry writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;HTTP client/servers should be enhanced to allow version and level&lt;br&gt;&gt;attributes in its \'accept\' and content-type attributions, e.g.,&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; text/html; level=3, version=2.0&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First of all, this is easy to say, but it\'s in fact impossible to&lt;br&gt;do. You _cannot_ change all the HTTP clients and servers in the world.&lt;br&gt;You can only devise strategies to deal with their behaviour, and&lt;br&gt;design _future_ clients, servers, and versions of the protocol to&lt;br&gt;interoperate with the installed base reliably. [...]','Re: Deploying new versions [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]','Fri, 28 Oct 94 18:01:19 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=75968">Re: Deploying new versions [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 28 Oct 94 18:01:19 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">66 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="12"></a><a href="#12">Document available (Error in doc found)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; spyglass.com&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; cd pub/.export/html2&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; bin&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; get html2.tar.Z&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The following exists in HTMLSPEC_18.html:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Examples&lt;br&gt;++++++++&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the document contains:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;META EXPIRES HTTP-EQUIV=&quot;Expires&quot;&gt;Tue, 04 Dec 1993 21:29:02 GMT&lt;/expires&gt;&lt;br&gt;----------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^&lt;br&gt;&lt;META HTTP-EQUIV=&quot;Keywords&quot; CONTENT=&quot;Fred, Barney&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;META HTTP-EQUIV=&quot;Reply-to&quot; content=&quot;[log in to unmask] (Roy Fielding)&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Shouldn\'t it be:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;META EXPIRES HTTP-EQUIV=&quot;Expires&quot; CONTENT=&quot;Tue, 04 Dec 1993 21:29:02 GMT&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--ewh&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;----&lt;br&gt;Earl Hood | CONVEX Computer Corporation&lt;br&gt;[log in to unmask] | 3000 Waterview Parkway&lt;br&gt;Phone: (214) 497-4387 | P.O. Box 833851&lt;br&gt;FAX: (214) 497-4500 | Richardson, TX 75083-3851','Re: Document available (Error in doc found)','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:24:17 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=35987">Re: Document available (Error in doc found)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Earl Hood</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:24:17 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">44 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Earl Hood writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; If the document contains:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;META EXPIRES HTTP-EQUIV=&quot;Expires&quot;&gt;Tue, 04 Dec 1993 21:29:02 GMT&lt;/expires&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ----------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;META HTTP-EQUIV=&quot;Keywords&quot; CONTENT=&quot;Fred, Barney&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;META HTTP-EQUIV=&quot;Reply-to&quot; content=&quot;[log in to unmask] (Roy Fielding)&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Shouldn\'t it be:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;META EXPIRES HTTP-EQUIV=&quot;Expires&quot; CONTENT=&quot;Tue, 04 Dec 1993 21:29:02 GMT&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually, it should either be&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;expires HTTP-EQUIV=&quot;Expires&quot;&gt;Tue, 04 Dec 1993 21:29:02 GMT&lt;/expires&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;or&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;META HTTP-EQUIV=&quot;Expires&quot; CONTENT=&quot;Tue, 04 Dec 1993 21:29:02 GMT&quot;&gt; [...]','Re: Document available (Error in doc found)','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:09:00 -0700')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=38387">Re: Document available (Error in doc found)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Roy T. Fielding</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:09:00 -0700</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">41 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="13"></a><a href="#13">Document available in HTML format, PostScript to come</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('We\'ve completed the last edits we\'ll be able to do before the conference,&lt;br&gt;and are finalizing little details. For now, the HTML version of the&lt;br&gt;document is available for you to look at. For various reasons, I am unable&lt;br&gt;to install the document on our web server today. You can grab a tarred-up&lt;br&gt;version by anonymous ftp to [...]','Document available in HTML format, PostScript to come','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:41:08 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=33191">Document available in HTML format, PostScript to come</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:41:08 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">45 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('@ If someone here wants to install this on a web server, that would be great.&lt;br&gt;@ Please do not publicize the ftp location above -- it will be going away.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have put it up on &lt;http://www.cshl.org/html-wg/&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It will be there at least until the end of the conference.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--Corp&lt;br&gt;(and this time the server is going to stay up.)','Re: Document available in HTML format, PostScript to come','Fri, 14 Oct 94 12:03:55 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=34083">Re: Document available in HTML format, PostScript to come</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Corprew Reed</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 94 12:03:55 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">23 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I could not print the spec on my sparcprinter due to weird errors,&lt;br&gt;so I edited the file to get rid of a few unnecessary bits -- the kind&lt;br&gt;that always cause problems. It now prints fine (although backwards, DOH!).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, here is a patch for those with non Level 2 printers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;......Roy Fielding ICS Grad Student, University of California, Irvine USA&lt;br&gt;&lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;URL:http://www.ics.uci.edu/dir/grad/Software/fielding&gt;','Re: Document available in HTML format, PostScript to come','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:27:33 -0700')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=36975">Re: Document available in HTML format, PostScript to come</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Roy T. Fielding</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:27:33 -0700</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">107 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('We\'ve completed the last edits we\'ll be able to do before the conference,&lt;br&gt;and are finalizing little details. For now, the HTML version of the&lt;br&gt;document is available for you to look at. For various reasons, I am unable&lt;br&gt;to install the document on our web server today. You can grab a tarred-up&lt;br&gt;version by anonymous ftp to [...]','Re: Document available in HTML format, PostScript to come','14 Oct 1994 22:45:31 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=41794">Re: Document available in HTML format, PostScript to come</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">14 Oct 1994 22:45:31 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">22 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="14"></a><a href="#14">DTD Level 2 nit</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hello again,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hate to take up your as I realize you are probably quite busy (esp. if&lt;br&gt;you get lots of questions from people like me). In any case I wanted to ask&lt;br&gt;you about an apparent inconsistancy with the HTML Level 2 DTD.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In particular, in&lt;br&gt;http://www.hal.com/products/sw/olias/Build-html/7L9WSWBuWpF84aK.html the text&lt;br&gt;states (pardon the formatting):&lt;br&gt;The empty &lt;plaintext&gt; tag terminates the HTML entity. What follows is not&lt;br&gt;SGML. Instead, an old HTTP convention specified&lt;br&gt;that what followed was an ASCII (MIME &quot;text/plain&quot;) body. [...]','DTD Level 2 nit','Wed Oct 05 14:56:01 1994')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=4065">DTD Level 2 nit</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">CN=Bruce Kahn/O=Iris@IRIS</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed Oct 05 14:56:01 1994</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">64 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="15"></a><a href="#15">Editorial comments for latest 2.0 spec</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('(All references are to the HTML version of the spec)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here is my $1.25 worth about the spec:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--------&lt;br&gt;HTMLSPEC_3.html: 2. Overview of HTML Specification,&lt;br&gt;3.4.1 Understanding HTML Elements&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The following text exists:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Start tags are delimited by &lt; and &gt;, and end tags are delimited&lt;br&gt;by &lt;/ and &gt;. For example:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;H1&gt;This is a Heading&lt;/H1&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is a paragraph.&lt;br&gt;----^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [...]','Editorial comments for latest 2.0 spec','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:36:52 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=39261">Editorial comments for latest 2.0 spec</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Earl Hood</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:36:52 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">166 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="16"></a><a href="#16">Editorial comments on HTML 2.0 spec</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('These comments are based on the July 1994 postscript version&lt;br&gt;of the spec:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--------&lt;br&gt;Page 2-6, Section -- Working With Structured Text: Comments&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After the comment delimiter, all text up to the next&lt;br&gt;occurrence of -- is ignored.&lt;br&gt;------------------^^&lt;br&gt;I believe this should be &quot;--&gt;&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--------&lt;br&gt;Page 3-3, Section -- Meta: Examples&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the document contains:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;expires http-equiv=&quot;Expires&quot;&gt;...&lt;/expires&gt;&lt;br&gt;--------^^^^^^^&lt;br&gt;I never saw an EXPIRE element in the DTD. Shouldn\'t it be [...]','Editorial comments on HTML 2.0 spec','Sat, 08 Oct 1994 11:52:57 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=21704">Editorial comments on HTML 2.0 spec</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Earl Hood</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 08 Oct 1994 11:52:57 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">75 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Likewise, I also thought it was Name, not Number.','Re: Editorial comments on HTML 2.0 spec','Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:15:00 -0700')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=24510">Re: Editorial comments on HTML 2.0 spec</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:15:00 -0700</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">49 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="17"></a><a href="#17">Editorial comments on HTML 2.0 spec dated 14 Oct 94</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dan, here are some observations on the HTML Specification 2.0, dated&lt;br&gt;October 14, 1994. Many of my comments are picky ones about writing&lt;br&gt;style, but there are some real mistakes, too. You may post this msg.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2.4 HTML Highlighting. Underline tag not supported by Mosaic&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why pick on Mosaic? Netscape doesn\'t either, and Lynx 2.3B tries but&lt;br&gt;gets it wrong. Suggest you say &quot;This proposed tag is not supported&lt;br&gt;by all browsers&quot;. [...]','Editorial comments on HTML 2.0 spec dated 14 Oct 94','Mon, 24 Oct 94 19:38:14 GMT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=59440">Editorial comments on HTML 2.0 spec dated 14 Oct 94</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Glenn Randers-Pehrson ARL-WTD-TED-TIB</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 24 Oct 94 19:38:14 GMT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">77 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="18"></a><a href="#18">Entities</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I was just reading all the back-mail on entities, and I ran across&lt;br&gt;this:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Spyglass has announced a supported Japanese version of&lt;br&gt;&gt;Mosaic. I\'m curious to know how they represent Japanese&lt;br&gt;&gt;characters in HTML.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\'m not sure. Actually, I think what we announced was a relationship&lt;br&gt;with NEC to do a Japanese version. They are currently doing most of the&lt;br&gt;engineering work themselves.','Re: Entities','Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:12:26 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=6962">Re: Entities</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:12:26 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="19"></a><a href="#19">Errors in new HTML 2.0 spec related to FORMs</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('There are some problems in the new (10/14/94) HTML 2.0 spec draft&lt;br&gt;related to FORMs. Most of them are carryovers from the HAL draft. I&lt;br&gt;would appreciate their being corrected as soon as possible.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In HTMLSPEC_3.html (&quot;Overview&quot;), the example FORM has some logical&lt;br&gt;and syntactic glitches:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;FORM METHOD=&quot;post&quot; action=&quot;http://www.hal.com/sample&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as I know, method names are case-sensitive, and thus &quot;POST&quot;&lt;br&gt;must be capitalized. [...]','Errors in new HTML 2.0 spec related to FORMs','Fri, 14 Oct 94 13:54:21 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=39881">Errors in new HTML 2.0 spec related to FORMs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Paul Burchard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 94 13:54:21 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">90 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;There are some problems in the new (10/14/94) HTML 2.0 spec draft&lt;br&gt;&gt;related to FORMs. Most of them are carryovers from the HAL draft. I&lt;br&gt;&gt;would appreciate their being corrected as soon as possible.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Darn. I knew we missed a few. We\'ll get these taken care of as&lt;br&gt;soon as we can. Thanks for the re-reminder.','Re: Errors in new HTML 2.0 spec related to FORMs','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:14:52 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=40550">Re: Errors in new HTML 2.0 spec related to FORMs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:14:52 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">25 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;In HTMLSPEC_19.html (&quot;Forms&quot;), the example FORM has many problems.&lt;br&gt;&gt;It clearly has not been run through Dan Connolly\'s validation&lt;br&gt;&gt;service. :-)&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;TITLE&gt;Sample Questionaire&lt;/TITLE&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;H1&gt;Sample Questionaire&lt;/H1&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; Please fill out this questionaire:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;That should be &quot;questionnaire&quot; (two n\'s) in all 3 cases.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Gee, Connolly\'s validation service must be better than I thought. :-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;mag','Re: Errors in new HTML 2.0 spec related to FORMs','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:58:13 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=42958">Re: Errors in new HTML 2.0 spec related to FORMs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tom Magliery</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:58:13 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="20"></a><a href="#20">Flooding the mailing list</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Sorry to flood the mailing list with stuff this afternoon. I\'m trying&lt;br&gt;to get all the content issues straightened out so we can get the document&lt;br&gt;in good shape, content-wise, for the conference.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In addition to distributing printed copies to all of you at the meeting, we&lt;br&gt;intend to make the document available in printed form to a lot of other&lt;br&gt;people who will be asking for it as well. Of course, it will be labelled&lt;br&gt;as a draft, not-yet-official spec. That version will be the pretty-printed&lt;br&gt;version (as opposed to plain ASCII), so you guys will actually get TWO&lt;br&gt; [...]','Flooding the mailing list','Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:28:48 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=20361">Flooding the mailing list</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:28:48 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">74 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="21"></a><a href="#21">FORM content in DTD</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I have reviewed the The HTML.DTD dated Sep 26 and it looks pretty clean. I&lt;br&gt;found one definition which I believe needs revision. The DTD defines FORM&lt;br&gt;content as follows:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ELEMENT FORM -- %body.content - (FORM)+(INPUT|SELECT|TEXTAREA)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don\'t believe this works when the Recommended switch is ON.&lt;br&gt;In that case, the %body.content definition becomes&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ENTITY % body.content &quot;(%heading|%block|HR|ADDRESS)*&quot; [...]','FORM content in DTD','Thu, 13 Oct 1994 08:12:31 -0400')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=29839">FORM content in DTD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Stan Newton</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 13 Oct 1994 08:12:31 -0400</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">37 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Stan,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I don\'t believe this works when the Recommended switch is ON.&lt;br&gt;&gt; In that case, the %body.content definition becomes&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;!ENTITY % body.content &quot;(%heading|%block|HR|ADDRESS)*&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; which excludes %text.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is untrue. %block includes P which is defined as:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ELEMENT P - O (%text;)+&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is designed to ensure that when the Recommended switch is ON, all&lt;br&gt;text must be enclosed in an appropriate container.','Re: FORM content in DTD','Thu, 13 Oct 94 13:54:19 BST')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=30435">Re: FORM content in DTD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dave Raggett</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 13 Oct 94 13:54:19 BST</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Incidentally, when are we getting rid of this?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!ELEMENT P - O (%text;)+&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Will 3.0 see P defined as a container at last?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;///Peter','Re: FORM content in DTD','13 Oct 1994 16:06:55 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=31043">Re: FORM content in DTD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">13 Oct 1994 16:06:55 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">19 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Huh? It is a container. And by virtue of end-tag minimization,&lt;br&gt;it can also be thought of as a separator if that is one\'s mind set.&lt;br&gt;End-tag minimization does not make an SGML element any less&lt;br&gt;of a container, unless it is an EMPTY element of course.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Incidentally, when are we getting rid of this?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;!ELEMENT P - O (%text;)+&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Will 3.0 see P defined as a container at last?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ///Peter','Re: FORM content in DTD','Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:50:18 -0400 (EDT)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=31325">Re: FORM content in DTD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 13 Oct 1994 11:50:18 -0400 (EDT)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">38 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I\'m sorry, I don\'t know what came over me...editing on three screens&lt;br&gt;simultaneously I had the original old 1.0 spec in another window at&lt;br&gt;the time and my brain just went to sleep!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;///Peter','Re: FORM content in DTD','13 Oct 1994 17:13:44 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=31925">Re: FORM content in DTD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">13 Oct 1994 17:13:44 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">16 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;To: Dave Raggett &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;From: [log in to unmask] (Stan Newton)&lt;br&gt;&gt;Subject: Re: FORM content in DTD&lt;br&gt;&gt;Cc:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Bcc:&lt;br&gt;&gt;X-Attachments:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;Stan said:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I don\'t believe this works when the Recommended switch is ON.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; In that case, the %body.content definition becomes&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;!ENTITY % body.content &quot;(%heading|%block|HR|ADDRESS)*&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; which excludes %text.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;Dave replied:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;This is untrue. %block includes P which is defined as:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;!ELEMENT P - O (%text;)+&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;This is designed to ensure that when the Recommended switch is ON, all&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;text must be enclosed in an appropriate container. ^^^^^&lt;br&gt;&gt;^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^&lt;br&gt;&gt;Dear Dave,&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I [...]','Re: FORM content in DTD','Thu, 13 Oct 1994 21:53:26 -0400')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=32257">Re: FORM content in DTD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Stan Newton</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 13 Oct 1994 21:53:26 -0400</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">59 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="22"></a><a href="#22">FORM content in DTD (Again)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I raised this question the week before the conference 10/13 (bad timing, I&lt;br&gt;know) and haven\'t received an answer. Since this directly affects the HTML&lt;br&gt;2.0 spec (I think), I\'m re-posting the message with prior history.','FORM content in DTD (Again)','Wed, 26 Oct 94 21:34:17 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=67269">FORM content in DTD (Again)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Stan Newton</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 26 Oct 94 21:34:17 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">59 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Stan Newton writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I sorry but I wasn\'t very clear.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Discussing technical issues over email is painful enough. We will&lt;br&gt;all be able to communicate much more effectively if we use specific,&lt;br&gt;concrete, illustrative examples.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I recommend this when asking questions, and if I could, I would&lt;br&gt;_require_ it when giving answers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;the special FORM&lt;br&gt;&gt;tags like SELECT and INPUT are not valid inside ordinary containers like P. [...]','Re: FORM content in DTD (Again)','Thu, 27 Oct 94 00:24:00 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=69056">Re: FORM content in DTD (Again)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 27 Oct 94 00:24:00 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">81 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('(Retransmission to include working group)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;the special FORM&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;tags like SELECT and INPUT are not valid inside ordinary containers&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;like P.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Ah! Here is where your confusion lies.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;SELECT and INPUT are allowed inside FORM by way of a nifty hack called&lt;br&gt;&gt;inclusion exceptions.','Re: FORM content in DTD (Again)','Thu, 27 Oct 94 09:22:36 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=70222">Re: FORM content in DTD (Again)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Stan Newton</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 27 Oct 94 09:22:36 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">58 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Stan Newton writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;(Retransmission to include working group)&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the special FORM&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;tags like SELECT and INPUT are not valid inside ordinary containers&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;like P.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;Ah! Here is where your confusion lies.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;SELECT and INPUT are allowed inside FORM by way of a nifty hack called&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;inclusion exceptions.&lt;br&gt;&gt; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;This means that they are allowed inside FORM,&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;and inside any element contained in FORM.&lt;br&gt;&gt; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Say it ain\'t so, Dan! This means that the HTML DTD Reference sections of the&lt;br&gt;&gt;HTML 2.0 spec are misleading, doesn\'t it? The DTD Reference, which has [...]','Re: FORM content in DTD (Again)','Thu, 27 Oct 94 13:17:01 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=70684">Re: FORM content in DTD (Again)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 27 Oct 94 13:17:01 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">115 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="23"></a><a href="#23">Format Negociation in Practice [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Chris Lilley, Computer Graphics U&lt;br&gt;nit writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;How should we serve HTML 3 to the Web? Is it still text/html ? Should&lt;br&gt;&gt;the same URL point to two different versions using server-side trickery?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would be great if we could hash this out once and for all, and&lt;br&gt;deploy the solution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Format negociation is this nifty idea in theory, but in practice, we see: [...]','Format Negociation in Practice [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]','Tue, 18 Oct 1994 11:25:32 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=50798">Format Negociation in Practice [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 18 Oct 1994 11:25:32 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">61 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; I don\'t know if this means more tutorial documentation, or some&lt;br&gt;&gt; http server configuration options, or changes to clients, or what.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I have a few ideas, but I\'d like to hear from other folks: how can&lt;br&gt;&gt; we clean this mess up? Or is format negociation just not gonna work? [...]','Re: Format Negociation in Practice [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]','Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:15:59 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=51436">Re: Format Negociation in Practice [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Earl Hood</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:15:59 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">122 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I\'d actually say that the Mcom extensions are less worrisome than tables:&lt;br&gt;if a document uses Mcom extensions, it still makes sense in existing&lt;br&gt;browsers. It looks like they were fairly careful about that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just think they were &lt;*treading carefully*&gt; ill-advised...it would&lt;br&gt;have been so easy to do it in the normal way. However, time will tell.&lt;br&gt;Maybe we should listen to the publishers and implement widespread&lt;br&gt;visual markup capability in all elements as standard attributes, which&lt;br&gt;is also easy. I have had several messages saying MCom doesn\'t go far&lt;br&gt;enough, and that they really, badly need to be [...]','Re: Format Negociation in Practice [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]','18 Oct 1994 23:00:37 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=52493">Re: Format Negociation in Practice [Was: Versioning HTML at the server]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">18 Oct 1994 23:00:37 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">67 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="24"></a><a href="#24">HDL Proposal</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('','HDL Proposal','Mon, 31 Oct 94 22:02:08 EST')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=78219">HDL Proposal</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Jon Bosak</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 31 Oct 94 22:02:08 EST</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">241 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="25"></a><a href="#25">HDL Q&amp;A</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('','HDL Q&amp;amp;A','Mon, 31 Oct 94 22:05:44 EST')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=78357">HDL Q&A</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Jon Bosak</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 31 Oct 94 22:05:44 EST</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">267 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="26"></a><a href="#26">Help getting back on www-html, please?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Somehow I have been deleted from the www-html mailing list.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When I try to re-subscribe, I get the mail that follows.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since it is complaining about the To: line in my mail&lt;br&gt;asking to &quot;SUBSCRIBE www-html Murray Maloney&quot; or &quot;HELP&quot;,&lt;br&gt;I have to assume that I am sending my request to the&lt;br&gt;wrong listserver, or at least a broken listserver. [...]','Help getting back on www-html, please?','Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:55:06 -0400 (EDT)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=8154">Help getting back on www-html, please?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:55:06 -0400 (EDT)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">64 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="27"></a><a href="#27">how to get added</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('There doesn\'t seem to be a [log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;How do I get added to this list?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Eric','how to get added','Fri, 21 Oct 94 00:45:45 -0700')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=53434">how to get added</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric Bina</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 21 Oct 94 00:45:45 -0700</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">16 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="28"></a><a href="#28">HTML</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('what is new about HTML standard?&lt;br&gt;I cannot find a draft or a recent paper about this.&lt;br&gt;Today, Mosaic 2.5b2 and Netscape B09 are coming whith&lt;br&gt;each different new tags for HTML.&lt;br&gt;Is is rather disturbing&lt;br&gt;Thank you','HTML','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:59:55 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=33720">HTML</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Claude Gross</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:59:55 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('what is new about HTML standard?&lt;br&gt;I cannot find a draft or a recent paper about this.&lt;br&gt;Today, Mosaic 2.5b2 and Netscape B09 are coming whith&lt;br&gt;each different new tags for HTML.&lt;br&gt;Is is rather disturbing&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes it is...I\'ve just grabbed a copy of the new browsers to look at.&lt;br&gt;Netscape is a bit flaky still, and not as easy to use as NCSA Mosaic,&lt;br&gt;but has some nice features. I haven\'t looked at the tagset it claims&lt;br&gt;to support yet, though, so I can\'t judge that. Does it look as if they&lt;br&gt;are pursuing the old path of &quot;any [...]','Re: HTML','14 Oct 1994 22:51:16 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=42296">Re: HTML</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">14 Oct 1994 22:51:16 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">25 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Thanks...see my posts on c.i.w...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;///Peter','Re: HTML','15 Oct 1994 01:04:56 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=44817">Re: HTML</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">15 Oct 1994 01:04:56 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">14 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 1:56 PM 10/14/94, Peter Flynn wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; what is new about HTML standard?&lt;br&gt;&gt; I cannot find a draft or a recent paper about this.&lt;br&gt;&gt; Today, Mosaic 2.5b2 and Netscape B09 are coming whith&lt;br&gt;&gt; each different new tags for HTML.&lt;br&gt;&gt; Is is rather disturbing&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Yes it is...I\'ve just grabbed a copy of the new browsers to look at.&lt;br&gt;&gt;Netscape is a bit flaky still, and not as easy to use as NCSA Mosaic,&lt;br&gt;&gt;but has some nice features. I haven\'t looked at the tagset it claims&lt;br&gt;&gt;to support yet, though, so I can\'t judge that. [...]','Re: HTML','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:54:25 -0800')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=46973">Re: HTML</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Marc Andreessen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:54:25 -0800</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">47 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I realize this is a highly religious issue, and many of the people&lt;br&gt;on this list (but not, I think, all) will remember me strongly voicing&lt;br&gt;my particular biases in the past. But let\'s at least stay serious --&lt;br&gt;&quot;looking cute&quot; has absolutely nothing to do with it; precise control over&lt;br&gt;appearance and layout is a major, major concern of many, if not most,&lt;br&gt;professional content providers. [...]','Re: HTML','15 Oct 1994 03:30:56 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=48172">Re: HTML</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">15 Oct 1994 03:30:56 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">74 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; You have effectively shat all over the hard&lt;br&gt;&gt; work that many people, including yourself, have put in over the&lt;br&gt;&gt; last two years,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;OK, I\'m gone from this conversation. That\'s over the line.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Marc','Re: HTML','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:56:49 -0800')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=48691">Re: HTML</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Marc Andreessen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:56:49 -0800</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('OK, I\'m gone from this conversation. That\'s over the line.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, it was, and I unreservedly apologise for my language. I am sorry&lt;br&gt;that I offended you: I should have been more tempered in what I said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Reply-to: [log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;Originator: [log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The HTML-WG list is a forum for the single purpose of discussing&lt;br&gt;the technical issues of direct relevance to the formal expression&lt;br&gt;of the HTML standard. [...]','Re: HTML','15 Oct 1994 12:29:23 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=49674">Re: HTML</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">15 Oct 1994 12:29:23 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">34 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Peter Flynn writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;a. What you have implemented is, quite frankly, rubbish as far as&lt;br&gt;&gt; HTML is concerned. You have effectively shat all over the hard&lt;br&gt;&gt; work that many people, including yourself, have put in over the&lt;br&gt;&gt; last two years, by implementing nonsense that will not parse and&lt;br&gt;&gt; flies in the face of any logical approach to text markup. [...]','Re: HTML','Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:57:58 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=50235">Re: HTML</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:57:58 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">69 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="29"></a><a href="#29">HTML 2.0 October 14 release</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&amp;nbsp;','HTML 2.0 October 14 release','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:08:44 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=44656">HTML 2.0 October 14 release</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:08:44 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">227 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="30"></a><a href="#30">HTML validation</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hello Gentlemen,&lt;br&gt;I have begun entering META information in my html files and thought that&lt;br&gt;I would run the first file through your validation service. It definitely&lt;br&gt;does not like the EXPIRES statement in either the version that appears&lt;br&gt;online at your site or as printed in the books handed out by SPYGLASS in&lt;br&gt;Chicago. Mosaic v2.4 also prints the expiration date at the top of the page. [...]','HTML validation','Sun, 23 Oct 1994 19:15:26 -0400')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=60088">HTML validation</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Karen Strom</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 23 Oct 1994 19:15:26 -0400</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Karen Strom writ&lt;br&gt;es:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Hello Gentlemen,&lt;br&gt;&gt; I have begun entering META information in my html files and thought that&lt;br&gt;&gt;I would run the first file through your validation service. It definitely&lt;br&gt;&gt;does not like the EXPIRES statement in either the version that appears&lt;br&gt;&gt;online at your site or as printed in the books handed out by SPYGLASS in&lt;br&gt;&gt;Chicago. Mosaic v2.4 also prints the expiration date at the top of the page.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Are things just not in sync yet or where do I look for the error? [...]','Re: HTML validation','Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:07:37 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=60672">Re: HTML validation</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:07:37 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">57 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="31"></a><a href="#31">Interent-Draft CUTOFF Date (fwd)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('So, now we have a target date...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Forwarded message:&lt;br&gt;&gt; From scocan.scocan.sco.com!sco.sco.com!ietf.cnri.reston.va.us!ietf-announce-request Fri Oct 21 16:18:16 1994&lt;br&gt;&gt; To: IETF-Announce: ;&lt;br&gt;&gt; cc: [log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Interent-Draft CUTOFF Date&lt;br&gt;&gt; Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 14:41:59 -0400&lt;br&gt;&gt; Sender:[log in to unmask]&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: Cynthia Clark &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Message-ID: &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In response to a number of requests from the IETF, and due to the&lt;br&gt;&gt; number of tasks the Secretariat needs to accomplish the week before the&lt;br&gt;&gt; San Jose IETF meeting, Internet-Drafts received after Monday, November&lt;br&gt;&gt; 28, will not be announced nor made available in the internet-drafts&lt;br&gt; [...]','Interent-Draft CUTOFF Date (fwd)','Fri, 21 Oct 1994 16:25:49 -0400 (EDT)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=56024">Interent-Draft CUTOFF Date (fwd)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 21 Oct 1994 16:25:49 -0400 (EDT)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">44 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="32"></a><a href="#32">Meeting reminder</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The closed meeting of the HTML WG will be Monday at 2:00, at the WWW&lt;br&gt;conference. We\'ll be in the Belmont room, which we have reserved until&lt;br&gt;6:00, if we need it. Informal agenda:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- Status of the process&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- Discussion of outstanding content issues&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- Discussion of future directions&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We refer to this as a &quot;closed&quot; meeting simply to indicate that it\'s not&lt;br&gt;intended to be openly public. We\'re certainly not going to throw anyone&lt;br&gt;out, but please don\'t generally invite lots of people. We\'ve intended it&lt;br&gt;to be this way to help us be effective, not exclusive.','Meeting reminder','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:40:52 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=37638">Meeting reminder</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:40:52 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="33"></a><a href="#33">META</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Including a META wrapper for support of non-displayed meta-information&lt;br&gt;is extremely important to support experimentation with URC\'s and such.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I vote it should be in 2.0&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;stu','META','Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:21:40 -0400')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=28050">META</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:21:40 -0400</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">16 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="34"></a><a href="#34">Missing acknowledgement info needed</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('We\'re missing the company name and email address for Erik Naggum. Anyone&lt;br&gt;know (Erik, perhaps), what we can fill in there?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\'m certain that we\'re missing some names in the acknowledgements section.&lt;br&gt;Please let us know if the version you see at the conference is missing&lt;br&gt;someone who should be there.','Missing acknowledgement info needed','Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:36:23 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=13686">Missing acknowledgement info needed</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:36:23 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">27 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="35"></a><a href="#35">Monday</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('','Re: Monday','Sun, 2 Oct 94 13:08 PDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=56">Re: Monday</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 2 Oct 94 13:08 PDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">59 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="36"></a><a href="#36">Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('One way to move forward is to distill a common list of the features and&lt;br&gt;capabilities that publishers and document vendors want, try to&lt;br&gt;categorize and generalize them, assign some priorities, and see what&lt;br&gt;part of that list can be implemented without undue strain on the&lt;br&gt;browser developers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The MCOM folks have brought forth a set. They aren\'t the features that&lt;br&gt;our publishers are screaming for, but I figure that\'s because we serve&lt;br&gt;different niches. And I appreciate the fact that their extensions did&lt;br&gt;not break current viewers. [...]','Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions','Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:34:39 -0400')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=54444">Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:34:39 -0400</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">35 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;The MCOM folks have brought forth a set. They aren\'t the features that&lt;br&gt;&gt;our publishers are screaming for, but I figure that\'s because we serve&lt;br&gt;&gt;different niches.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, actually, the extensions we already implemented were the&lt;br&gt;tip of the iceberg of functionality we\'ve identified as pressing needs.&lt;br&gt;And yes, we do definitely serve different niches... [...]','Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions','Sun, 23 Oct 1994 01:09:43 -0800')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=58887">Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Marc Andreessen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 23 Oct 1994 01:09:43 -0800</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">38 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="37"></a><a href="#37">Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I sent this to the folks at mcom.com. I have gotten no response.&lt;br&gt;Either they are too busy, or they are not interested.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In any case, I thought it might be useful for folks to know what&lt;br&gt;mcom is supporting in addition to HTML 2.0.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would anyone at NCSA care to formally describe the table extension? [...]','Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:15:54 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=43572">Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:15:54 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">1060 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;I sent this to the folks at mcom.com. I have gotten no response.&lt;br&gt;&gt;Either they are too busy, or they are not interested.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No doubt they\'re busy, but I hope they are interested.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Would anyone at NCSA care to formally describe the table extension?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, I will definitely post a formal description (as best we have it to&lt;br&gt;date) to this mailing list, but now it won\'t be until after The Conference.&lt;br&gt;There, now that I\'ve said it publicly, I have to do it. [...]','Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:21:16 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=44981">Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tom Magliery</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:21:16 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('By the way, the document referenced by Dan Connolly,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I\'ve been looking over &quot;Mosaic NetScape Extensions to HTML&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;at http://home.mcom.com/home/frosting.html&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;seems not to exist. I am guessing that they moved it to the document that&lt;br&gt;I posted in my note of earlier this evening,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;http://home.mcom.com/home/services_docs/html-extensions.html&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;mag','Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:25:06 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=45652">Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tom Magliery</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:25:06 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">27 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 2:17 PM 10/14/94, Daniel W. Connolly wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt;I sent this to the folks at mcom.com. I have gotten no response.&lt;br&gt;&gt;Either they are too busy, or they are not interested.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The former, not the latter -- we started the company&lt;br&gt;April 4, hired the core staff in April and May, started coding&lt;br&gt;June 1, entered alpha/beta around Sep 1, and just released to&lt;br&gt;the net -- things have been a bit hectic :-). I don\'t think there\'s&lt;br&gt;anyone in the company (we\'re at 76 employees now, I think) who isn\'t&lt;br&gt;running at full speed or faster, and we haven\'t [...]','Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:51:18 -0800')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=46215">Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Marc Andreessen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:51:18 -0800</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">53 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Marc Andreessen writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I realize the extensions in 0.9 have stirred up some attention,&lt;br&gt;&gt; but they\'re really not that significant relative to a lot of the&lt;br&gt;&gt; capabilities that our customers and potential customers are beating&lt;br&gt;&gt; down our doors for. We do need to figure out in relatively short&lt;br&gt;&gt; order how specs for these new features get cut-n-dried and implemented,&lt;br&gt;&gt; because the market is moving too fast to stand still and debate for&lt;br&gt;&gt; a long time, and if we don\'t move quickly, I guarantee each and every&lt;br&gt;&gt; person on this list that [...]','Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)','Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:10:51 -0400 (EDT)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=53678">Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:10:51 -0400 (EDT)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">105 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The question of what SGML tags should be implemented and what&lt;br&gt;presentation information they represent, if any, is a problem that&lt;br&gt;incorporates both the problems of data structuring and presentational&lt;br&gt;markup.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think many people have been overlooking that what HTML really provides&lt;br&gt;is a structure for the presentation of information and the links between&lt;br&gt;that information and other sources. [...]','Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)','Fri, 21 Oct 1994 13:32:10 PDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=57011">Re: Mosaic Corp. HTML extensions (NCSA Tables?)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David C. Martin</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 21 Oct 1994 13:32:10 PDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">157 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="38"></a><a href="#38">Netscape's HTML extensions (comments solicited)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Are we interested group discussion of Mosaic Communication\'s HTML&lt;br&gt;extensions, which they have documented along with the public beta release&lt;br&gt;of their Netscape browser (check out http://mcom.com)? (I know at least&lt;br&gt;some of our developers are interested in hearing our collective opinions.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;MCOM\'s own html text describing the extensions is below. This document&lt;br&gt;resides at [...]','Netscape\'s HTML extensions (comments solicited)','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:19:23 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=44075">Netscape's HTML extensions (comments solicited)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tom Magliery</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:19:23 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">245 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;NCSA Mosaic for the Mac -- whatever our latest internal alpha&lt;br&gt;&gt;release is, anyway -- renders it perfectly readably, but ignores basically&lt;br&gt;&gt;all of their whizzy formatting tricks. I expect that the X version would&lt;br&gt;&gt;do the same.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yup, that was very much the intention.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,&lt;br&gt;Marc','Re: Netscape\'s HTML extensions (comments solicited)','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:02:58 -0800')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=47670">Re: Netscape's HTML extensions (comments solicited)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Marc Andreessen</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:02:58 -0800</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="39"></a><a href="#39">New (specific) suggestion for Monday time</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The conference agenda has nothing (except BOFs) scheduled for 4:30 to 6&lt;br&gt;Monday. At 6pm is the opening day reception (&quot;heavy hors d\'oeuvres&quot;). I&lt;br&gt;propose we meet at that time. My impression is that it will best&lt;br&gt;accommodate everyone who has spoken up so far.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the time is too short, we can always use the last 10 minutes of it to&lt;br&gt;decide on another time to get together. [...]','New (specific) suggestion for Monday time','Mon, 3 Oct 1994 15:06:09 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=163">New (specific) suggestion for Monday time</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tom Magliery</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 3 Oct 1994 15:06:09 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;The conference agenda has nothing (except BOFs) scheduled for 4:30 to 6&lt;br&gt;&gt;Monday. At 6pm is the opening day reception (&quot;heavy hors d\'oeuvres&quot;). I&lt;br&gt;&gt;propose we meet at that time. My impression is that it will best&lt;br&gt;&gt;accommodate everyone who has spoken up so far.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ack. This was supposed to be a suggestion that we meet at 4:30. [...]','Re: New (specific) suggestion for Monday time','Mon, 3 Oct 1994 15:36:09 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=733">Re: New (specific) suggestion for Monday time</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tom Magliery</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 3 Oct 1994 15:36:09 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">547 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;I\'m just a little concerned that we\'ll have only 90 minutes then&lt;br&gt;&gt;and a fairly hectic conference starting just about the minutes we&lt;br&gt;&gt;finish. Admittedly, we may then and there be able to find another&lt;br&gt;&gt;slot in which to continue, and perhaps I missed some of the discussion&lt;br&gt;&gt;while travelling, but could we maybe go for 3pm to 6pm?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Are there a number of you arriving after 3 but before 4:30? [...]','Re: New (specific) suggestion for Monday time','Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:35:09 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=1260">Re: New (specific) suggestion for Monday time</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:35:09 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hi Tom,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry, it is 9:40 CDT, but I was at the Davenport meeting and just got back.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that enough of the key participants will be available&lt;br&gt;to allow us to hold a meeting that starts at 2 pm as&lt;br&gt;originally suggested by Eric Sink.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I appreciate that a variety of people would like to delay the&lt;br&gt;meeting until later in the afternoon or into the evening,&lt;br&gt;but I don\'t think that is workable. [...]','Re: New (specific) suggestion for Monday time','Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:48:59 -0400 (EDT)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=5864">Re: New (specific) suggestion for Monday time</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:48:59 -0400 (EDT)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">73 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="40"></a><a href="#40">non-alphabet characters</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;199410092352.QAA24024@rock&gt;, John Labovitz writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;[log in to unmask] (Mark Connolly) said:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; A colleague who checked my document in the current&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows version of Mosaic found that _&amp;eacute;_ in the document\'s title&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; didn\'t display correctly, though it did on my Mac.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I\'ve noticed this in Lynx, too. I think I once sent&lt;br&gt;&gt;a message to the Lynx developers about this, and they&lt;br&gt;&gt;responded with a note saying that &lt;TITLE&gt; wasn\'t&lt;br&gt;&gt;supposed to contain &amp;foo; entities. Can this be true? [...]','Re: non-alphabet characters','Sun, 09 Oct 1994 22:05:32 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=22413">Re: non-alphabet characters</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 09 Oct 1994 22:05:32 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="41"></a><a href="#41">OOPS! META got promoted; why did nbsp go away?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I just re-read the note from Dan that mentioned he promoted META to the&lt;br&gt;normal part of the standard. I guess you should disregard the message I&lt;br&gt;just sent about it staying in the proposed section.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why did nbsp go away? I may have missed the reasoning behind its removal,&lt;br&gt;but I consider it current practice, and believe that it should be part of&lt;br&gt;the standard, or at least proposed.','OOPS! META got promoted; why did nbsp go away?','Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:41:45 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=15393">OOPS! META got promoted; why did nbsp go away?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:41:45 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt; Why did nbsp go away? I may have missed the reasoning behind its&lt;br&gt;&gt; removal, but I consider it current practice, and believe that it&lt;br&gt;&gt; should be part of the standard, or at least proposed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Agreed. But we _are_ talking about &amp;nbsp; aren\'t we, not &lt;nbsp&gt; ?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;///Peter','Re: OOPS! META got promoted; why did nbsp go away?','07 Oct 1994 22:42:52 +0100 (BST)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=16969">Re: OOPS! META got promoted; why did nbsp go away?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">07 Oct 1994 22:42:52 +0100 (BST)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">20 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('When I was putting together the write-ups on character data&lt;br&gt;and entities, I tried each of the character positions and&lt;br&gt;discovered that neither &amp;nbsp; nor &amp;#160; worked in the&lt;br&gt;browser that I was using (Mosaic 2.4). I recall discussing&lt;br&gt;this with Dan via mail, and we agreed at the time that nbsp&lt;br&gt;was not as universally implemented as &amp;lt;, &amp;gt;, &amp;amp; and&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;. That\'s when I wrote the 2nd sentence in this paragraph: [...]','Re: OOPS! META got promoted; why did nbsp go away?','Tue, 11 Oct 1994 09:54:59 -0400 (EDT)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=25544">Re: OOPS! META got promoted; why did nbsp go away?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 11 Oct 1994 09:54:59 -0400 (EDT)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">51 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Murray Maloney writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;When I was putting together the write-ups on character data&lt;br&gt;&gt;and entities, I tried each of the character positions and&lt;br&gt;&gt;discovered that neither &amp;nbsp; nor &amp;#160; worked in the&lt;br&gt;&gt;browser that I was using (Mosaic 2.4).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sheesh... in fact, this is the case. I can\'t figure out why character&lt;br&gt;160 doesn\'t act like a non-breaking space in Mosaic: from what I can&lt;br&gt;tell, you\'d have to write special code to break this feature. Maybe&lt;br&gt;the X font metrics are funky or something... [...]','Re: OOPS! META got promoted; why did nbsp go away?','Tue, 11 Oct 1994 09:36:03 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=26904">Re: OOPS! META got promoted; why did nbsp go away?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 11 Oct 1994 09:36:03 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="42"></a><a href="#42">our ftp directory</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The directory I listed is a blind directory. You have to cd all the way&lt;br&gt;through it at once:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ftp spyglass.com&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;cd pub/.export/html2,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;not:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;cd pub&lt;br&gt;cd .export&lt;br&gt;dir&lt;br&gt;/* you see nothing */&lt;br&gt;cd html2','our ftp directory','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:07:37 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=35039">our ftp directory</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:07:37 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="43"></a><a href="#43">Partial URLs</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I was looking yesterday for the written spec for a partial URL...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Should this be in the HTML spec? I thought it was at one point,&lt;br&gt;but maybe my brain is fried.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lee','Partial URLs','Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:45:50 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=71567">Partial URLs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 27 Oct 94 18:45:50 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, [log in to unmask] writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I was looking yesterday for the written spec for a partial URL...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Add this one to your home page/hotlist:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;IETF Home Page&quot;&lt;br&gt;http://ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/home.html&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Follow a few links from there, and you find:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;dt&gt; &lt;A&lt;br&gt;HREF=&quot;ftp://ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-uri-relative-url-00.txt&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Relative Uniform Resource Locators&quot;, R. Fielding, 08/24/1994. (32493&lt;br&gt;bytes)&lt;/A&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;dd&gt; Uniform Resource Locators (URLs) are a compact representation of the&lt;br&gt;location and access method for a resource available via the Internet.&lt;br&gt;When embedded within a base document, a URL in its absolute form may&lt;br&gt;contain a great deal of information which is already known from the&lt;br&gt;context of that [...]','Re: Partial URLs','Thu, 27 Oct 94 19:03:29 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=71856">Re: Partial URLs</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 27 Oct 94 19:03:29 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">52 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="44"></a><a href="#44">Perceived Consensus: Murray's entity stuff goes in</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Unless I hear otherwise, I assume that no one in the group had objections&lt;br&gt;to Murray\'s 4-part contribution (regarding entities and character sets)&lt;br&gt;be integrated into the spec.','Perceived Consensus: Murray\'s entity stuff goes in','Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:59:59 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=15975">Perceived Consensus: Murray's entity stuff goes in</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:59:59 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Eric W. Sink writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Unless I hear otherwise, I assume that no one in the group had objections&lt;br&gt;&gt;to Murray\'s 4-part contribution (regarding entities and character sets)&lt;br&gt;&gt;be integrated into the spec.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\'m not quite sure what you\'re referring to, but...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please don\'t put any proposals that involve characters outside of&lt;br&gt;ISO Latin 1 into the 2.0 spec. [...]','Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray\'s entity stuff goes in','Fri, 07 Oct 1994 16:06:19 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=16343">Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray's entity stuff goes in</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 07 Oct 1994 16:06:19 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;I\'m not quite sure what you\'re referring to, but...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess this wasn\'t as clear as it could have been. Murray sent 4&lt;br&gt;specific files to the list, in HTML format, specifying content to be&lt;br&gt;added to the spec. Those files are currently sitting on&lt;br&gt;http://192.246.238.107/html2/murray.html&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We\'re still sorting out where this material is supposed to be pasted&lt;br&gt;into the actual document, but my understanding is that it should go in,&lt;br&gt;except for: [...]','Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray\'s entity stuff goes in','Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:51:59 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=17425">Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray's entity stuff goes in</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:51:59 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dan writes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I\'m not quite sure what you\'re referring to, but...&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Please don\'t put any proposals that involve characters outside of&lt;br&gt;&gt; ISO Latin 1 into the 2.0 spec.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This means &amp;nbsp: would be disallowed. It\'s in ISOpub I think.&lt;br&gt;This also means &amp;lt; and &amp;gt; would have to go, as well as &amp;amp; [...]','Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray\'s entity stuff goes in','07 Oct 1994 22:46:18 +0100 (BST)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=18089">Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray's entity stuff goes in</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">07 Oct 1994 22:46:18 +0100 (BST)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Peter Flynn writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;Dan writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; I\'m not quite sure what you\'re referring to, but...&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; Please don\'t put any proposals that involve characters outside of&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt; ISO Latin 1 into the 2.0 spec.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;This means &amp;nbsp: would be disallowed. It\'s in ISOpub I think.&lt;br&gt;&gt;This also means &amp;lt; and &amp;gt; would have to go, as well as &amp;amp; [...]','Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray\'s entity stuff goes in','Fri, 07 Oct 1994 17:01:50 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=19029">Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray's entity stuff goes in</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 07 Oct 1994 17:01:50 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">36 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Eric W. Sink writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;Please don\'t put any proposals that involve characters outside of&lt;br&gt;&gt;&gt;ISO Latin 1 into the 2.0 spec.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Which I believe refers to the &quot;Additional Entity Sets (Proposed)&quot; section&lt;br&gt;&gt;at the botton of entities.html,&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;right?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Right.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess you can stick it in there as proposed, as long as you make the&lt;br&gt;propsed pages neon orange. Every time I stuck a &quot;proposed&quot; thingy in&lt;br&gt;the spec, the readers didn\'t get the distinction. [...]','Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray\'s entity stuff goes in','Fri, 07 Oct 1994 17:20:57 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=19629">Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray's entity stuff goes in</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 07 Oct 1994 17:20:57 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The &quot;Additional Entity Sets (Proposed)&quot; was presented&lt;br&gt;as a way of committing HTML to using the 8879 entity sets.&lt;br&gt;I think that we would all agree that we should not adopt&lt;br&gt;other entity-naminmg schemes and break one-to-one compatibility&lt;br&gt;with the rest of the SGML docu-verse. N\'est pas?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, since those sets are not in use in anybody\'s browser&lt;br&gt;except ours, I readily acknowledge that there is a very strong&lt;br&gt;and valid argument against including this section in the spec. [...]','Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray\'s entity stuff goes in','Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:17:17 -0400 (EDT)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=23118">Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray's entity stuff goes in</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:17:17 -0400 (EDT)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">58 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Murray Maloney writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;The &quot;Additional Entity Sets (Proposed)&quot; was presented&lt;br&gt;&gt;as a way of committing HTML to using the 8879 entity sets.&lt;br&gt;&gt;I think that we would all agree that we should not adopt&lt;br&gt;&gt;other entity-naminmg schemes and break one-to-one compatibility&lt;br&gt;&gt;with the rest of the SGML docu-verse. N\'est pas?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Agreed: if we need names for characters, and there\'s an ISO entity&lt;br&gt;name for the character, we\'ll use it. [...]','Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray\'s entity stuff goes in','Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:52:16 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=23820">Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray's entity stuff goes in</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:52:16 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">51 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Murray Maloney writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;The &quot;Additional Entity Sets (Proposed)&quot; was presented&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;as a way of committing HTML to using the 8879 entity sets.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;I think that we would all agree that we should not adopt&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;other entity-naminmg schemes and break one-to-one compatibility&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;with the rest of the SGML docu-verse. N\'est pas?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Agreed: if we need names for characters, and there\'s an ISO entity&lt;br&gt;&gt; name for the character, we\'ll use it. [...]','Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray\'s entity stuff goes in','Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:18:41 -0400 (EDT)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=26181">Re: Perceived Consensus: Murray's entity stuff goes in</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:18:41 -0400 (EDT)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">106 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="45"></a><a href="#45">Perceived Consensus: No ICADD in HTML 2.0</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Despite all the reasonable arguments for putting it in, I do not&lt;br&gt;perceive that the consensus of this group is to address the ICADD&lt;br&gt;issues for HTML 2.0. I *do* perceive a desire to do an HTML 2.1,&lt;br&gt;where this and other things we\'ve deferred may be addressed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This message is just to give specific expression to what I think&lt;br&gt;is already the consensus of this group. If I am wrong, please let&lt;br&gt;us know.','Perceived Consensus: No ICADD in HTML 2.0','Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:26:01 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=11230">Perceived Consensus: No ICADD in HTML 2.0</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:26:01 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Yuri Rubinsky writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;My sense was that there was a desire to incorporate the fixed SDA attributes&lt;br&gt;&gt;that allow HTML files to be then transformed for the visually impaired --&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Agreed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;which is the relateively straightforward job that Jeff Suttor and I&lt;br&gt;&gt;volunteered for and which gets done the minute the DTD is completely&lt;br&gt;&gt;stable [...]','Re: Perceived Consensus: No ICADD in HTML 2.0','Fri, 07 Oct 1994 18:01:18 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=21118">Re: Perceived Consensus: No ICADD in HTML 2.0</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 07 Oct 1994 18:01:18 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">415 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="46"></a><a href="#46">Perceived Consensus: The META element stays in the Proposed section</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I have not seen the nearly-unanimous support that I think should be necessary&lt;br&gt;to move the META element from the proposed section to the normal sections of&lt;br&gt;the HTML 2.0 draft spec. Unless I am rapidly convinced that I am perceiving&lt;br&gt;the consensus of the group incorrectly, it will stay as it is.','Perceived Consensus: The META element stays in the Proposed section','Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:27:41 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=11827">Perceived Consensus: The META element stays in the Proposed section</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:27:41 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">25 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Eric W. Sink writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I have not seen the nearly-unanimous support that I think should be necessary&lt;br&gt;&gt;to move the META element from the proposed section to the normal sections of&lt;br&gt;&gt;the HTML 2.0 draft spec. Unless I am rapidly convinced that I am perceiving&lt;br&gt;&gt;the consensus of the group incorrectly, it will stay as it is. [...]','Re: Perceived Consensus: The META element stays in the Proposed section','Fri, 07 Oct 1994 15:37:46 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=14171">Re: Perceived Consensus: The META element stays in the Proposed section</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 07 Oct 1994 15:37:46 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">41 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I don\'t have anything to say about this because&lt;br&gt;I am leaving it in the hands of people like Dan&lt;br&gt;and Eric (and others) who are more familiar with it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Eric W. Sink writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;I have not seen the nearly-unanimous support that I think should be necessary&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;to move the META element from the proposed section to the normal sections of&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;the HTML 2.0 draft spec. Unless I am rapidly convinced that I am perceiving&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;the consensus of the group incorrectly, it will stay as it is.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; [...]','Re: Perceived Consensus: The META element stays in the Proposed section','Tue, 11 Oct 1994 09:58:21 -0400 (EDT)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=24745">Re: Perceived Consensus: The META element stays in the Proposed section</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 11 Oct 1994 09:58:21 -0400 (EDT)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">49 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="47"></a><a href="#47">Perceived Consensus: The overview and the DTD reference will stay</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('A few days ago, I suggested leaving the overview and the DTD reference&lt;br&gt;sections out of the actual RFC. I perceived that the consensus of the&lt;br&gt;group was that these sections are important enough that the material should&lt;br&gt;be left in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also perceived that our editors were therefore to be granted a certain&lt;br&gt;amount of poetic license in determining the best presentation format for&lt;br&gt;this material in its ASCII and HTML formats, since the tables in the&lt;br&gt;overview section do not easily convert to either medium.','Perceived Consensus: The overview and the DTD reference will stay','Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:30:50 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=12334">Perceived Consensus: The overview and the DTD reference will stay</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:30:50 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Eric W. Sink writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;I also perceived that our editors were therefore to be granted a certain&lt;br&gt;&gt;amount of poetic license in determining the best presentation format for&lt;br&gt;&gt;this material in its ASCII and HTML formats,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Absolutely. Do what you must.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; since the tables in the&lt;br&gt;&gt;overview section do not easily convert to either medium. [...]','Re: Perceived Consensus: The overview and the DTD reference will stay','Fri, 07 Oct 1994 15:39:08 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=14771">Re: Perceived Consensus: The overview and the DTD reference will stay</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 07 Oct 1994 15:39:08 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">25 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="48"></a><a href="#48">PostScript version available</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The PostScript file is available:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ftp spyglass.com&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;cd pub/.export/html2&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;bin&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;get htmlspec.doc.ps.Z&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;quit&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hope there are no problems in printing this. Again, please keep&lt;br&gt;knowledge of the ftp site to this limited distribution.','PostScript version available','Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:24:39 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=34602">PostScript version available</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:24:39 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="49"></a><a href="#49">Question on attribute values</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I need to verify my understanding of the attribute value requirements&lt;br&gt;covered in section 3.4.3 of the Oct 13 version of the spec.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here are some statements that I believe are true. If they are not,&lt;br&gt;please tell so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) attribute values that are defined as CDATA, such as ALT for&lt;br&gt;the IMG element, MUST be quote delimited even if they do NOT contain&lt;br&gt;spaces (0x20) or &quot;&gt;&quot;. [...]','Question on attribute values','Tue, 25 Oct 94 21:16:50 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=64735">Question on attribute values</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Keith Ball</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 25 Oct 94 21:16:50 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">74 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Keith Ball writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;I need to verify my understanding of the attribute value requirements&lt;br&gt;&gt;covered in section 3.4.3 of the Oct 13 version of the spec.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;Here are some statements that I believe are true. If they are not,&lt;br&gt;&gt;please tell so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I had a zillion questions like this when I first started reading&lt;br&gt;HTML and SGML standards too. The way I learned was to download sgmls,&lt;br&gt;build it, run it, and look at the output and the error messages. [...]','Re: Question on attribute values','Tue, 25 Oct 94 21:48:40 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=65306">Re: Question on attribute values</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 25 Oct 94 21:48:40 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">135 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[log in to unmask] (Keith Ball) wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Here are some statements that I believe are true. If they are not,&lt;br&gt;&gt; please tell so.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; 1) attribute values that are defined as CDATA, such as ALT for&lt;br&gt;&gt; the IMG element, MUST be quote delimited even if they do NOT contain&lt;br&gt;&gt; spaces (0x20) or &quot;&gt;&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes and no: you don\'t need quotes if the attribute value contains&lt;br&gt;only *name characters*. This is true regardless of the attribute\'s&lt;br&gt;declared value. [...]','Re: Question on attribute values','Tue, 25 Oct 94 22:13:20 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=65990">Re: Question on attribute values</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Joe English</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 25 Oct 94 22:13:20 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">134 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="50"></a><a href="#50">Reality Check for HTML 2 RFC</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('We\'ve been focusing our attention in this area on getting this spec&lt;br&gt;done and out as an RFC. As we look at the document, it is apparent&lt;br&gt;that there is valuable material there which does not necessarily&lt;br&gt;need to be part of the RFC itself. We\'ve been thinking of omitting&lt;br&gt;the overview section plus the DTD reference from the RFC. This would&lt;br&gt;greatly shorten the actual RFC by removing essentially redundant&lt;br&gt;material. The DTD references are auto-generated and have some problems&lt;br&gt;which Dan has mentioned before. The overview is almost user-level material&lt;br&gt;and contains fancy formatting which is hard to [...]','Reality Check for HTML 2 RFC','Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:43:34 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=1862">Reality Check for HTML 2 RFC</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:43:34 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">36 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In message &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;, Eric W. Sink writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;We\'ve been focusing our attention in this area on getting this spec&lt;br&gt;&gt;done and out as an RFC. As we look at the document, it is apparent&lt;br&gt;&gt;that there is valuable material there which does not necessarily&lt;br&gt;&gt;need to be part of the RFC itself.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ahh... another minimalist engineer like myself. [...]','Re: Reality Check for HTML 2 RFC','Wed, 05 Oct 1994 13:06:53 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=2650">Re: Reality Check for HTML 2 RFC</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 05 Oct 1994 13:06:53 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">64 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I don\'t know the formatting restrictions of RFCs, but I think the&lt;br&gt;overview will be extremely valuable to first time readers of the&lt;br&gt;document. So I would encourage that it be included in the RFC.&lt;br&gt;Presumably the formatting could be simplified for the RFC version to&lt;br&gt;meet their guidelines.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jay G.','Re: Reality Check for HTML 2 RFC','Wed, 05 Oct 1994 11:26:15 -0700')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=3206">Re: Reality Check for HTML 2 RFC</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Jay Glicksman</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 05 Oct 1994 11:26:15 -0700</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">19 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I agree with Dan... The explanatory part of the HTML 2.0 spec&lt;br&gt;is an important part of communicating the standard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Does it make sense to rewrite it to make it simpler to express&lt;br&gt;in plaintext? I\'m willing to take a shot at it...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;stu','Re: Reality Check for HTML 2 RFC','Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:28:44 -0400')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=3670">Re: Reality Check for HTML 2 RFC</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">&lt;&gt;</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 5 Oct 1994 14:28:44 -0400</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">17 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="51"></a><a href="#51">Room has been reserved</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I have reserved the Belmont room from 2-6pm on Monday for the closed&lt;br&gt;meeting of the HTML WG. The Belmont room is on the 2nd floor, whereas most&lt;br&gt;of the busier places are on 3rd floor, so we may even be somewhat away from&lt;br&gt;the crowds.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess we\'ll assume the meeting will begin at 2, unless it turns out that&lt;br&gt;someone\'s travel plans necessitate a later start. (I say this just because&lt;br&gt;some people might have been thinking 3 or 4:30 for a little while.) [...]','Room has been reserved','Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:15:18 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=7517">Room has been reserved</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tom Magliery</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:15:18 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="52"></a><a href="#52">Slight typo in new HTML 2.0 spec</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I don\'t remember if anyone else mentioned this, but there is a typo&lt;br&gt;in the information about special characters in HTMLSPEC_20.html, near&lt;br&gt;the end:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Line Feed (LF - 10 dec)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Interpreted as a word space in all contexts except &lt;PRE&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Within &lt;PRE&gt;, the tab should be interpreted as a shift to&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;tab&quot; should be &quot;line feed&quot; [...]','Slight typo in new HTML 2.0 spec','Tue, 18 Oct 94 13:38:22 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=51945">Slight typo in new HTML 2.0 spec</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Paul Burchard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 18 Oct 94 13:38:22 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">37 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="53"></a><a href="#53">TEXTAREA line terminators: platform dependent?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The spec appears to be silent on the issue of line terminators used when&lt;br&gt;submitting the contents of a TEXTAREA. If this is implementation or&lt;br&gt;platform dependent, then I would like to say so.','TEXTAREA line terminators: platform dependent?','Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:38:18 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=27669">TEXTAREA line terminators: platform dependent?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:38:18 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The spec appears to be silent on the issue of line terminators used&lt;br&gt;when submitting the contents of a TEXTAREA. If this is&lt;br&gt;implementation or platform dependent, then I would like to say so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Despite having used TEXTAREA, I hadn\'t thought much about this one.&lt;br&gt;Three things come to mind:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;a. honor any line-ends found in the data, using whatever line-end is&lt;br&gt;native to the server platform (because you can\'t tell the client&lt;br&gt;platform). In effect this means the contents of TEXTAREA are&lt;br&gt;treated as if they were being displayed as &lt;pre&gt; [...]','Re: TEXTAREA line terminators: platform dependent?','12 Oct 1994 14:31:30 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=28358">Re: TEXTAREA line terminators: platform dependent?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Flynn</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">12 Oct 1994 14:31:30 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I like option c.&lt;br&gt;Not that that should carry any weight or anything. :-)&lt;br&gt;But I do like it.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; The spec appears to be silent on the issue of line terminators used&lt;br&gt;&gt; when submitting the contents of a TEXTAREA. If this is&lt;br&gt;&gt; implementation or platform dependent, then I would like to say so.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Despite having used TEXTAREA, I hadn\'t thought much about this one.&lt;br&gt;&gt; Three things come to mind:&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; a. honor any line-ends found in the data, using whatever line-end is&lt;br&gt;&gt; native to the server platform (because you can\'t [...]','Re: TEXTAREA line terminators: platform dependent?','Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:25:45 -0400 (EDT)')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=29083">Re: TEXTAREA line terminators: platform dependent?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Murray Maloney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:25:45 -0400 (EDT)</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">37 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="54"></a><a href="#54">The RFC will be really long</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I hear the group saying that the sections I proposed to omit are important&lt;br&gt;enough that they should stay. So be it. Thanks for the input!','The RFC will be really long','Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:08:36 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=4811">The RFC will be really long</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Eric W. Sink</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:08:36 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">23 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="55"></a><a href="#55">This is our workplace</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The HTML-WG list is a forum for the single purpose of discussing&lt;br&gt;the technical issues of direct relevance to the formal expression&lt;br&gt;of the HTML standard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Philosophic or ideological discussions are best left to other&lt;br&gt;fora, though necessarily, our technical discussions will draw on&lt;br&gt;deeply held dogmas.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please, let us accord one another a full measure of professional&lt;br&gt;respect. This is our workplace, and there is important work to do. [...]','This is our workplace','Sat, 15 Oct 94 02:06:21 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=49058">This is our workplace</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Stu Weibel</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 15 Oct 94 02:06:21 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">23 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="56"></a><a href="#56">Validation service does URLs, levels, and mcom DTD</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('This is a pre-announcement concerting the latest update of:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;HaLsoft HTML Validation Service&lt;br&gt;http://www.hal.com/%7Econnolly/html-test/service/validation-form.html&lt;br&gt;$Id: validation-form.html,v 1.14 1994/10/27 23:18:40 connolly Exp $&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I\'m sending this to a relatively small audience so we can work out&lt;br&gt;some kinks before announcing to www-talk, comp.text.sgml, and&lt;br&gt;maybe even whats-new@ncsa and such.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;**1** The validation service now allows you to enter a list of URLs. It&lt;br&gt;checks each of the listed documents. It currently uses&lt;br&gt;system(&quot;lynx -dump -source&quot;)&lt;br&gt;as a quick hack to get the data. I don\'t know what would happen if&lt;br&gt;you pointed it at a postscript file or some such. Please [...]','Validation service does URLs, levels, and mcom DTD','Thu, 27 Oct 94 19:45:54 EDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=72821">Validation service does URLs, levels, and mcom DTD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 27 Oct 94 19:45:54 EDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">75 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="57"></a><a href="#57">[[log in to unmask]: &amp;cx; in HTML+ ?]</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dr. Irvine,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Languages and character sets are a topic of discussion in the HTML&lt;br&gt;Working group of the IETF. We won\'t address this issue in the upcoming&lt;br&gt;2.0 document, but there is a lot of interest in these topics for the&lt;br&gt;next revision of the standard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have rasied the topic on the comp.text.sgml newsgroup to see if&lt;br&gt;that community has any valuable experience. Not much to report&lt;br&gt;on that front, at this point. [...]','[[log in to unmask]: &amp;amp;cx; in HTML+ ?]','Fri, 07 Oct 1994 11:26:01 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=10021">[[log in to unmask]: &cx; in HTML+ ?]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel W. Connolly</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 07 Oct 1994 11:26:01 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">102 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('From: &quot;Daniel W. Connolly&quot; &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Languages and character sets are a topic of discussion in the HTML&lt;br&gt;Working group of the IETF. [...]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I should collect my thoughts on this topic, along with references&lt;br&gt;to all the available materials (papers, projects, etc.). Or&lt;br&gt;perhaps someone else would create a summary... perhaps a hypernews&lt;br&gt;page, Mr. LaLiberte? [...]','Re: [[log in to unmask]: &amp;amp;cx; in HTML+ ?]','Fri, 7 Oct 94 12:06:20 CDT')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9410&amp;L=HTML-WG&amp;P=10651">Re: [[log in to unmask]: &cx; in HTML+ ?]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel LaLiberte</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 7 Oct 94 12:06:20 CDT</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> </table> </td> <td width="20%" valign="top"> <table width="100%" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr><td class="blogtop"><h4><LABEL for="Search Archives">Search Archives</LABEL></h4></td></tr> <tr><td class="blogbox"> <p class="blogsmall"><a href="/cgi-bin/wa?REPORT=HTML-WG&z=4&1=HTML-WG&L=HTML-WG">Advanced Options</a></p> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr><td align="center" nowrap> <form action="/cgi-bin/wa" method="post"> <table cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr><td> <input 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