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Frank Wood

Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:36:58 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Fri, 26 Nov 2010 08:53:27 +0000

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Frank Wood

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:24:04 +0000

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Stefan Wasilewski

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:14:26 +0000

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Harold van Garderen

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:56:08 +0100

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Stefan Wasilewski

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:48:12 +0000

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Harold van Garderen

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:43:58 +0100

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Vladimir

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:38:21 +0300

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Stefan Wasilewski

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:18:21 +0000

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Stefan Wasilewski

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:17:54 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:15:28 +0000

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Harold van Garderen

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:05:42 +0100

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Roger Harnden

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:28:38 +0000

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Harold van Garderen

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:23:11 +0100

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Roger Harnden

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:09:09 +0000

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Stefan Wasilewski

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:01:28 +0000

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Harold van Garderen

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:56:04 +0100

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Roger Harnden

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:18:13 +0000

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Stefan Wasilewski

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:03:30 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:56:32 +0000

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Re: Ernst von Glasersfeld

Harold van Garderen

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:47:13 +0100

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discussion forum

Roger Harnden

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:03:25 +0000

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Ernst von Glasersfeld

Luc Hoebeke

Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:26:56 +0100

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Ernst von Glasersfeld

Roger Harnden

Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:05:16 +0000

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Fireflies and fishponds etc

Re: Fireflies and fishponds etc

Nick Green

Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:36:03 +0100

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Fireflies and fishponds etc - complexity

Re: Fireflies and fishponds etc - complexity

Roger Harnden

Thu, 4 Nov 2010 10:39:50 +0000

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Flash Mob

Frank Wood

Sat, 27 Nov 2010 12:55:42 +0000

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Fwd: GW-CIBER Summer Doctoral Institute 2011- Invitation to GW faculty

Stuart Umpleby

Sat, 6 Nov 2010 11:02:31 -0400

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Fwd: Join the AOM electronic discussion

Stuart Umpleby

Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:17:56 -0500

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Fwd: Your Views on Megacities and Sustainability

russell_clemens

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:34:14 +0800

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George Spencer Brown

Roger Harnden

Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:36:37 +0000

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happiness

Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:22:16 +0000

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Trevor E Hilder

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:13:07 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:35:44 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:28:46 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:55:23 +0000

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russell_clemens

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:33:07 +0800

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Trevor E Hilder

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:07:31 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:02:54 +0000

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allenna leonard

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 06:52:13 -0800

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Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:48:42 +0000

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PEDRO PABLO CARDOSO CASTRO

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:16:44 +0000

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russell_clemens

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:53:52 +0800

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Frank Wood

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:25:00 +0000

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russell_clemens

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:00:44 +0800

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Stefan Wasilewski

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:35:36 +0000

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happiness

Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:23:07 +0000

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happiness and despotism

Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:57:24 -0500

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Roger Harnden

Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:33:07 +0000

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Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:24:35 -0500

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Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:04:43 +0000

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Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:59:59 -0500

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allenna leonard

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:41:15 -0800

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Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:37:03 +0000

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allenna leonard

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:27:39 -0800

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Kwasnica, Vincent

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:04:16 -0000

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Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:18:44 +0000

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allenna leonard

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:09:32 -0800

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Trevor E Hilder

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:49:35 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:34:14 +0000

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Trevor E Hilder

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:35:53 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:13:42 +0000

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Trevor E Hilder

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:52:11 +0000

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happiness and despotism and information

Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:39:46 +0000

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Re: happiness and despotism and information

Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:54:39 -0500

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Re: happiness and despotism and information

Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Sat, 27 Nov 2010 12:45:22 -0500

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Re: happiness and despotism and information

Roger Harnden

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:16:21 +0000

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Interaction / Art, Science and Technology Seminar / Chile

Re: Interaction / Art, Science and Technology Seminar / Chile

enrique rivera

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 22:23:27 -0300

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Interaction / Art, Science and Technology Seminar / Chile

enrique rivera

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:09:07 -0300

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language.......'emergence' and 'objectivity'

Alfredo Moscardini

Thu, 4 Nov 2010 17:37:33 +0000

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Angela Espinosa

Tue, 2 Nov 2010 08:46:40 -0700

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russell_clemens

Tue, 2 Nov 2010 20:43:01 +0800

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language.......'emergence' and 'objectivity'

Doug McDavid

Tue, 2 Nov 2010 04:31:20 -0800

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Roger Harnden

Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:20:43 +0000

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Last One, I promise: Spencer Brown on Boolean Mathematics

Roger Harnden

Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:08:38 +0000

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Leadership Lessons from Dancing Guy

Re: Leadership Lessons from Dancing Guy

Roger Harnden

Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:28:36 +0000

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Re: Leadership Lessons from Dancing Guy

Roger Duck

Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:11:34 +0000

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Leadership Lessons from Dancing Guy

Harold van Garderen

Fri, 26 Nov 2010 20:26:15 +0100

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Link shared from [log in to unmask]

Barry Clemson

Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:39:02 +0000

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Manfred Max-Neef

Joseph Truss

Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:06:01 -0800

78 lines

Maturana and 'emergence' (and recursion - VSM?)

Roger Harnden

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:03:18 +0000

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Maturana and Kant

Harold van Garderen

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:43:50 +0100

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Roger Harnden

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:58:56 +0000

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Harold van Garderen

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:45:53 +0100

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Roger Harnden

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:35:58 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:32:16 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:29:26 +0000

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Harold van Garderen

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:34:54 +0100

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russell_clemens

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 21:29:33 +0800

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Metaphorum Conference - Last Call

Harold van Garderen

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:22:38 +0100

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Maturana and Kant

Roger Harnden

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:16:58 +0000

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Re: Metaphorum Conference - Last Call

Leonid Ototsky

Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:52:33 +0500

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Re: Metaphorum Conference - Last Call

Michelle Watts

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:04:04 +0000

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Re: Metaphorum Conference - Last Call

Leonid Ototsky

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:40:42 +0500

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Metaphorum Conference - Last Call

Michelle Watts

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 09:58:54 -0600

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Metaphorum Conference - Skype

Christine Cullen

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:37:38 -0500

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Christine Cullen

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:34:41 -0500

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John Waters

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:49:19 +0000

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M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:38:20 +0100

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Michelle Watts

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:46:49 +0000

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Leonid Ototsky

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:16:29 +0500

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Roger Harnden

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:51:06 +0000

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Stefan Wasilewski

Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:44:04 +0000

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Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:34:42 -0500

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Michelle Watts

Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:17:38 +0000

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Metaphorum Conference - Skype

Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:00:13 -0500

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Michelle Watts

Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:35:14 -0600

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Metaphorum Conference - Skype & future suggestion

Re: Metaphorum Conference - Skype & future suggestion

Roger Harnden

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:28:41 +0000

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Re: Metaphorum Conference - Skype & future suggestion

Michelle Watts

Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:20:28 +0000

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Re: Metaphorum Conference - Skype & future suggestion

Roger Harnden

Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:29:46 +0000

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Re: Metaphorum Conference - Skype & future suggestion

Leonie Solomons

Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:31:47 +1100

513 lines

Paradigm

Stefan Wasilewski

Mon, 29 Nov 2010 06:56:34 +0000

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Frank Wood

Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:38:34 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:40:34 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:36:40 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Sat, 27 Nov 2010 16:35:24 +0000

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Trevor E Hilder

Sat, 27 Nov 2010 15:50:47 +0000

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Peter Checkland in Manchester on 9th December

Stefan Wasilewski

Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:32:25 +0000

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Paradigm

Frank Wood

Sat, 27 Nov 2010 12:46:37 +0000

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Pask and Luhmann

Roger Harnden

Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:26:07 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:17:09 +0000

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Quantitative Easing Explained

russell_clemens

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:36:48 +0800

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really good paper on Ashby and von Foerster, and the resurgence of cybernetic thinking today

Re: really good paper on Ashby and von Foerster, and the resurgence of cybernetic thinking today

Roger Harnden

Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:36:05 +0000

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Re: really good paper on Ashby and von Foerster, and the resurgence of cybernetic thinking today

Vladimir

Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:23:53 +0300

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really good paper on Ashby and von Foerster, and the resurgence of cybernetic thinking today

Roger Harnden

Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:30:11 +0000

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Review of Ray Ison's recent book

Roger Harnden

Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:42:15 +0000

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shared white space - functions and architecture

Re: shared white space - functions and architecture

Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:37:12 +0000

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Re: shared white space - functions and architecture

M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:22:24 +0100

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shared white space - functions and architecture

Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:39:50 +0000

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Shared Whitespace - Participants & Funding

Re: Shared Whitespace - Participants & Funding

Ern Reynolds

Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:49:06 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:52:08 +0000

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Vladimir

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:08:59 +0300

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Vladimir

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:41:43 +0300

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Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:48:41 +0000

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Shared whitespace - participants & funding

Stefan Wasilewski

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:30:18 +0000

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M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:26:24 +0100

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Shared whitespace - some very early design thoughts

Re: Shared whitespace - some very early design thoughts

russell_clemens

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:56:54 +0800

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Re: Shared whitespace - some very early design thoughts

Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:34:38 +0000

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Re: Shared whitespace - some very early design thoughts

Stefan Wasilewski

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:19:03 +0000

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Re: Shared whitespace - some very early design thoughts

Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:07:21 +0000

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Re: Shared whitespace - some very early design thoughts

Vladimir

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:31:39 +0300

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Re: Shared whitespace - some very early design thoughts

Roger Harnden

Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:21:45 +0000

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Re: Shared whitespace - some very early design thoughts

russell_clemens

Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:01:35 +0800

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Shared whitespace - some very early design thoughts

Roger Harnden

Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:21:08 +0000

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Spencer Brown on his first job

Roger Harnden

Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:01:09 +0000

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Spencer Brown on Laws of Form

Roger Harnden

Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:55:22 +0000

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Syntegration and Spencer Brown

Ern Reynolds

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 02:30:35 +0000

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Vladimir

Sun, 21 Nov 2010 00:35:28 +0300

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Vladimir

Sat, 20 Nov 2010 04:42:50 +0300

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M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:12:01 +0100

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Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:08:34 +0000

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M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 19:05:08 +0100

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Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:10:52 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:06:29 +0000

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Vladimir

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:58:17 +0300

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Vladimir

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:49:45 +0300

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M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:16:43 +0100

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Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:53:29 -0500

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russell_clemens

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:42:18 +0800

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Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:09:31 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:06:55 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:06:14 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:00:50 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:56:49 +0000

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Trevor E Hilder

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:13:04 +0000

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Trevor E Hilder

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:07:34 +0000

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M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:00:31 +0100

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Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:34:43 -0500

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M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:22:55 +0100

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BARRY A CLEMSON

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:38:28 -0500

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Harold van Garderen

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:23:54 +0100

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Trevor E Hilder

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:09:25 +0000

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BARRY A CLEMSON

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:35:40 -0500

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Harold van Garderen

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:28:10 +0100

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Kwasnica, Vincent

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:24:53 -0000

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Kwasnica, Vincent

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:19:57 -0000

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M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:18:27 +0100

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Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:00:44 -0500

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Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:21:20 -0500

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Stefan Wasilewski

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:06:35 +0000

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M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:39:22 +0100

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Roger Harnden

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:27:05 +0000

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Stefan Wasilewski

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:25:42 +0000

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Kwasnica, Vincent

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:19:59 -0000

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Stefan Wasilewski

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:15:51 +0000

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M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:07:41 +0100

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Kwasnica, Vincent

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:03:45 -0000

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Roger Harnden

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:32:50 +0000

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David Beatty

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:16:37 +0100

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Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:15:10 -0500

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Roger Harnden

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:56:49 +0000

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Kwasnica, Vincent

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:46:39 -0000

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Kwasnica, Vincent

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:44:48 -0000

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Roger Harnden

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:48:55 +0000

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M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:40:38 +0100

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Boris G Freesman, Q.C.

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:29:41 -0500

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Syntegration and Spencer Brown

Ern Reynolds

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:23:31 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:59:00 +0000

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Technical query- anyone know the answer?

Re: Technical query- anyone know the answer?

Roger Harnden

Thu, 4 Nov 2010 23:11:36 +0000

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Re: Technical query- anyone know the answer?

Nick Green

Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:49:29 -0000

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Technical query- anyone know the answer?

Roger Harnden

Thu, 4 Nov 2010 10:18:06 +0000

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testing

Roger Harnden

Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:44:10 +0000

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the molecular space

Re: the molecular space

Vladimir

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:12:00 +0300

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the molecular space

Roger Harnden

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:17:16 +0000

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the postulate of epistemic homeostatsis

Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:23:35 +0000

67 lines

Turning Lead into Gold (use of the word 'not' - George Spencer Brown)

Re: Turning Lead into Gold (use of the word 'not' - George Spencer Brown)

Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:11:56 +0000

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Re: Turning Lead into Gold (use of the word 'not' - George Spencer Brown)

Frank Wood

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:00:29 +0000

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Re: Turning Lead into Gold (use of the word 'not' - George Spencer Brown)

Roger Harnden

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:52:22 +0000

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Re: Turning Lead into Gold (use of the word 'not' - George Spencer Brown)

Frank Wood

Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:40:05 +0000

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Turning Lead into Gold (use of the word 'not' - George Spencer Brown)

Roger Harnden

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:30:02 +0000

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variety balancing (Beer) and structural coupling (Maturana)

Roger Harnden

Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:25:58 +0000

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von Foerster - book

Roger Harnden

Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:50:13 +0000

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VSM embodiments

M.J.R. van de Wijnckel

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:22:03 +0100

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Vladimir

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:36:27 +0300

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Roger Harnden

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:52:51 +0000

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Vladimir

Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:00:05 +0300

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Stefan Wasilewski

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:15:50 +0000

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Vladimir

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:46:21 +0300

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Roger Duck

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:40:56 +0000

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Ern Reynolds

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:14:37 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:13:48 +0000

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Roger Harnden

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:45:21 +0000

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Ern Reynolds

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:09:45 +0000

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Vladimir

Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:42:32 +0300

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